Scholar role.

[KitaroLived]

We can keep the aggro without dps, if we continue in your logic, the tank's dps isn't usefull

[DarkmoonVael]

We can keep the aggro without dps, if we continue in your logic, the tank's dps isn't usefull

I love people with this logic. A WHM can heal using cure and nothing else as well. A BLM can dps using blizzard III alone. A SCH can heal by using summon/summon II and afk for the entire instance. Your logic is non existent. Are you going to say this is how these classes have been designed as well. I am getting tired of the silly rebuttal of "tanks can hold aggro just using flash that does no damage". Yeah they can, it mean you are a bad tank if you do this.

Also, do you seriously think, and i mean seriously here, that the combos that increase enmity were not put in the game to deal damage and hold aggro?

In the meantime, i am going to go raid on PLD and just use flash and provoke and see how that goes........because i am special.......

[Llynd]

Its your logic which sucks on here. You Just said that its a bad tank Who Just spamm flash to keep the aggro. Which is True. So they gave them more dps skills. Especially to the Warrior which fits the off role better. This should goes the same way for healer. A healer Who Just heal is a bad healer. So they gave them dps skills. However, the sch which fits the off role better didnt get this dps advantage. Why ?

[DarkmoonVael]

Its your logic which sucks on here. You Just said that its a bad tank Who Just spamm flash to keep the aggro. Which is True. So they gave them more dps skills. Especially to the Warrior which fits the off role better. This should goes the same way for healer. A healer Who Just heal is a bad healer. So they gave them dps skills. However, the sch which fits the off role better didnt get this dps advantage. Why ?

No healer has ever been designed as an offhealer. SCH was designed as a mitigation/pet healer, that has got its ridiculous power from the fact that it has a DPS as a base class.

FYI, SCH wasnt always like this. Look at Binding Coils clears and you will see SCH didnt dps then. In 2.0 you couldnt command your pet whilst casting at the same time, meaning SCH couldnt function the way it does now.

Also, SCH gets one dps spell from 50-60 as does AST and WHM. There is nothing that says SCH is the only off healer in the game other than community meta.

Also to add to this, the devs decided warrior should do more dps, as thats their "thing".

[KitaroLived]

On the turns of bahamut, the sch had more dps than the war, you should check your informations because they are false.

[DarkmoonVael]

On the turns of bahamut, the sch had more dps than the war, you should check your informations because they are false.

I said Binding Coil. You know, the place thats actually called The Binding Coils of Bahamut aka turn 1-5. Also i was progression raiding then, as a SCH. I know what i am talking about. You dont. Check your facts before you try and pull this with me.

Also check the footage of the first clears of T5, Scholars back then healed, and healed some more and healed more.

Scholar dps became the norm in Second Coils of Bahamut.

[KitaroLived]

The binding coil is a part of Bahamut's coils.
Also I don't need to check anything : I was raiding with a good sch and he had a high dps.

[DarkmoonVael]

The binding coil is a part of Bahamut's coils.
Also I don't need to check anything : I was raiding with a good sch and he had a high dps.

Check what the things are called:

The binding coil of bahamut
The second coil of bahamut
The final coil of bahamut.

Yeah get backed into a corner and pull that out as a counter argument...yeah uh huh.

Progression raid scholars did not dps any where near the extent in 2.0 as they did now. Have a look at the early clear videos.

Second coil of bahamut was where the scholar dps meta became prevalent.

If you are going to try and debate this, put some effort into it.

You cleared the Binding coils of bahamut on February 25th, 2015......so yeah........no where near 2.0

I need to say nothing more when it comes to you i think.......

[Gemina]

Yeah sad but True... I indeed like these hybrid jobs.. And this would fit sch so Well....
And for the 4 man contents, EMBRACE is actually enough xD

Sure it is. If everyone is following mechanics and avoiding AoE, Eos/Selene will keep the tank alive in 4-man all day long. And an uber geared, HP inflated synced tank won't need much healing at all depending on how much they are pulling. However, these ideal situations have hardly been the case in nearly every instance I've been in when using DF, which is why I will always have Physick and Lustrate on hotbar1.

Anyone who plans on leveling SCH in four-man content best be ready to heal, shield, and rezz. It's definitely ok to trust your fairy, but not ok to point your finger at her if someone drops. She can be taxed just like any other healer if the damage is too great, and there WILL be times when it is due to both scripted mechanics, and player derps.

[Gemina]

Hi there.
I'm actually collecting opinions about the scholar role for you.

I'm among the SCH divas who see the job as a healer. I thoroughly researched SCH before even touching the game, and I came in with the impression that the job is all about mitigating damage. There is nothing I love more than seeing an enemy weapon skill hitting for 0 damage, or preventing an otherwise sure KO.

Still, I am full aware of the DPS potential the job has, and I don't ignore it. It just isn't my top priority. When my DPS is good, it's because my mates and I know what our priorities are, and perform them adequately. Following mechanics and avoiding dmg is the best way for my group to maximize my DPS.

I've only been in two 8-man instances since hitting 50, and my impression here is the role really doesn't change. Like at all. However, the addition of a human controlled healer makes micro-managing Eos/Selene a helluva lot easier.