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Thread: Scholar role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    The exemple you Just said isn't what a good sch in end game raids would do. I don't get why you want it to keep healing that bad. Would you remove CS if you could ? So what ? A healer is supposed to heal an nothing more ?
    I strongly believe True healing is for whm/ast. I really think scholars should be dps even before being healers.
    Scholars should be dps before healers? Can we get Garuda too?!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    The exemple you Just said isn't what a good sch in end game raids would do. I don't get why you want it to keep healing that bad. Would you remove CS if you could ? So what ? A healer is supposed to heal an nothing more ?
    I strongly believe True healing is for whm/ast. I really think scholars should be dps even before being healers.
    It's an example of a player that has the meta misconstrued to the point they think their only role is to DPS, to the point they outright ignore their other responsibilities (i.e. pet management, which is part of the SCH's healing toolkit). You wanting SCH to get a DPS buff and healing nerf is more or less leaning towards that same bracket of laziness. Players that want to DPS so much, yet won't pick up an actual DPS class because they want the benefits of the Healer role (instant queues, guaranteed spot in parties) without the effort needed to do high DPS numbers, all whilst letting the other healer do all the work.

    For your general proposal, there's a simple solution: play the Summoner Job and DPS to your hearts content there. The last thing SCH needs is more DPS. They're already in a guaranteed spot for raids because of their current DPS potential alone. They don't need more.
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    In fact, the dps needed to kill a8s' dummy is almost the same as war and as sch. I think that sch need a little buff of dps because, I need to remind that, sch's dps is needed on the savage : we weren't able to do Gordias savage without it.
    Also, the dps difference between sch and war isn't because war is made for dps but just because th sch don't have any dmg buff where the war got Berserk and Internal Release .

    I must add that if a whm play perfectly his role, he can almost solo heal every fight. There's always somethings that the sch need to heal but he's as made for dps as the war.
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    I think our dps is fine and when they give sch mind in 4 man we'd do even better. You can pretty easily keep up dps wise with people in duty finder. My last anti tower was ~1300 encounter for the whole dungeon, compared to the monk at ~1550 and SMN at ~1650. War was at ~750.

    Our dps buff is dissipation. (Controversial, as it is.)
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    During the antitower as warrior I'm arround 1k3 dps and arround 2k on packs.
    The war you saw at 750 wasn't good.

    And Dissipation is a tricky buff because it killed your pet so you need to summon it again.
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    Last edited by KitaroLived; 06-03-2016 at 03:11 AM.

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    Duty finder isn't a relevant base for comparaison you know. Talking about raids is more relevant.
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    And yeah, even on packs wars do a lot of damage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitaroLived View Post
    During the antitower as warrior I'm arround 1k3 dps and arround 2k on packs.
    The war you saw at 750 wasn't good.

    And Dissipation is a tricky buff because it killed your pet so you need to summon it again.
    That's with your encounter never shutting off right, staying active between each pull and never idling even moving between maps.

    It was just an aoe example. On Hummel with a physical down machinist, but no bard I can hit 1200(God I want a bard.) The war, who tanks Hummel until the first panzer is usually at 1k- 1.15k.

    Resummon after. Sprint is your friend xD
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 06-03-2016 at 03:23 AM.

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    Never tryed with keeping the parse always up but on every pull I'm first or 2nd dps.
    And for the Faust, on all the fight, I did 1379 and our sch did 1239
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitaroLived View Post
    In fact, the dps needed to kill a8s' dummy is almost the same as war and as sch. I think that sch need a little buff of dps because, I need to remind that, sch's dps is needed on the savage : we weren't able to do Gordias savage without it.
    Also, the dps difference between sch and war isn't because war is made for dps but just because th sch don't have any dmg buff where the war got Berserk and Internal Release .

    I must add that if a whm play perfectly his role, he can almost solo heal every fight. There's always somethings that the sch need to heal but he's as made for dps as the war.
    Yeah and notice that PLD get Fight or Flight, and DRK get Darkarts. They buff what the class does, which is deal physical damage. Healers get buffs to increase healing, except AST since we get that and flat dps increase buffs since we are awesome \o/.

    You dont seem to understand that classes like WAR, PLD and DRK hit things to deal damage as one of their primary functions; that is to hold enmity. A SCH does not deal damage to heal.
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    Last edited by DarkmoonVael; 06-03-2016 at 03:55 AM.

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