Estinien's Fate? [SPOILER discussion]

[Pinkie_Pie]

Just a wild guess:

We successfully separate Estinien from Nidhogg but then the Warrior of Darkness comes and finish Estinien off...
Telling you something about: "He does what you can not do..."
While possessed, Estinien was weakening Nidhogg and seeking for his own death by your hand, but now released Nidhogg is in full enrage as primal sucking up crystals to gain a physical body!

Why does the warrior of darkness remind me of a little like Gabranth.

[EdwinLi]

There is also the fact that anyone who attempted to reveal the truth were made to "disappear" or branded as Heretics thus people would not listen to them.

We see in the storyline that many steps were taken to make certain no one who ever found out the truth could reveal it nor people would believe them. Heck before the truth was out one of the Major Laws of Ishgard was that anyone who was found to have spoken to a Dragon was to be executed. This was one of the rules set in Ishgard as a means to silence anyone who may learn the truth about what really happened and remove anyone who would have a slight chance of questoning what they learned about dragons were actually false.

There is a saying "Skepticism and Disbelief are the best tools to hide the truth" which is what the Archbishops for generations used. To accept the hard truth that your side was in the wrong is never easy and people are more likely to accept that their side is in the right over seeing themselves as the bad guys.

As for Nidhogg well he is a lost cause as even his brother Hraesvelgr knew that even if there was some how a chance to prevent the Dragonsong War from happening or end it as fast as possible Nidhogg would never allow it as he was too blinded by hatred and personal vendetta to care about anyone but himself now. Hraesvelgr even had a chance to prevent the Dragonsong war from event starting but he chosen pitty over his brother Nidhogg knowing full well Nidhogg will start a war that will last generations causing the death of countless Dravanians and Ishgardian without even caring about what the war would do to his own children or fellow dragons.

[Belhi]

Even Iceheart gave up on Nidhogg once she saw what happened when she opened the gates for him. His dragons, rather than going for Thordan's lot started slaughtering people in the Brume. He herself watch one of the kill a young girl.

As much as it was messed up and a way to control the people, the lie the Holy See perpetrated did have a limited merit. When you have a people who have no option for peace open to them, there is little value in destroying there hope further by taking away their heroes. The people needed figures to rally behind to survive. Ishgard wouldn't have survived a thousand years otherwise. However the big problem was that lie had lead to class abuse, injustice and became a excuse to horde power even once Nidhogg was downed. It was the fact that Thordan was unwilling to give up the lie once Nidhogg had fallen that lead to him becoming the enemy.

[ADVSS]

There was a time when the WOL did do something by killing one of the Ascians in 2.4 with the White Auracite, but that's it.

literally. ninja star chucked it into an ascian last time. Elidibus :"theyre getting too good at killing us" made me laugh so hard when i cleared the research facility

[Yukiko]

A bit off topic:

Square Enix is working towards "true" Dragoons.
If you look up the origin of the Name (real life history) you will see it have to be a "Dragon rider" in game.
Possibility we will get air fights in 4.0 is very high...
Still smart of Square Enix, but then what about the other jobs?!

[Ranzan]

See that's the problem.

1. If Nidhogg is the problem why not deal with first? That peace talk was pointless because the main person your fighting wasn't invited. If he's far gone put him out of his misery. Hell if you kill him kill all the dragons then since they killed so many people.

2. It's still stupid no matter what that it took 1 thousand years to find the truth. The WOL had to dodge the same pitfalls anyone else would have had and even more to find out the truth they are an outsider mind you.

3. Why haven't they just leave that land? That right there started this mess. Those dragons were there first and they wanted you off their land.

4. They talked peace now but that in the past was when they betrayed the dragons in the past. They could easily stab them in the eye yet again. Thus history repeating itself.

Ppl only seeing this from one side only it seems.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

*To have an effective peace, you rally the dragons to your cause. If they want the same thing you do, you convince them of that. Simply killing Nidhogg isn't going to be enough. Man has to repent or the dragons won't trust them still.

*It...was already explained why it took so long for the truth to be revealed. You have a 1000 years worth of generations that were deliberately kept in the dark and anyone who got too close to the truth were silenced. How is that not clear to you?

*Leaving the land is too little too late. Nidhogg and everyone else under his command want man to suffer for their traitorous actions. Even if they left, the bad dragons would just follow them.

*Are you that cynical? It seems to me all of your posts are summed up as "lol people are stupid". Aymeric is trying to get Ishgard to change, even in the face of the high class that want to stop him. Hell, Vidonifir saved a girl that was thrown to her death. If that's not a sign of dragons wanting to go with peace, what then?


I think you're either deliberately posting wrong information or are bored by pretending to be on the side of dragons like the people who posted how the empire was right.

[Wilhem]

I'm with Aymeric on this one it's better to kill Estinien to stop Nidhogg than to try saving him at the cost of numerous potential losses if our attempt to save him were to fail. Also for what we know Estinien himself might agree with this as his purpose and goal in life is to kill Nidhogg and protect Ishgard from the Horde.

[Ranzan]

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Well why pick a dragon that has no sway with the dragons that are attacking them? See how that worked out? They will kill Nidhogg in the next patch so now it's ok to kill him and still be trusted?

See this humans thinking dragons think like them. "Oh he should stop cause we are a new generation that had nothing to do with it."

Here's the thing dragons and humans have different life times. The dragons that witnessed and hurt from the ishgardians betrayal are STILL alive to this day. That's why that peace talk was pointless cause they didn't even think of going to the VERY dragons they offended. They are still very much alive now.

Those dragons lost their sister over greed of the ishgardians that were you had thought friends . Now you asking these very dragons to not hate them even thou they (ishgardians ) represent the death of those dragons sister - daughter - aunt. They built a civilization off this lust for power and kept one of the brother's eyes as trophies. The fact that the very dragons that their people betrayed are still alive makes it kill or be killed. That like the son of the murdered your sister and kept your hand as a trophy asking to be friends.

They represent their pain and suffering of that evil act. Also to me if I was the WOL why even help them after the Battle of Cartenau no show? Don't give a damn till it's their problem. Ask me they made their bed now lay in it.

[Pells]

Well why pick a dragon that has no sway with the dragons that are attacking them? See how that worked out? They will kill Nidhogg in the next patch so now it's ok to kill him and still be trusted?

See this humans thinking dragons think like them. "Oh he should stop cause we are a new generation that had nothing to do with it."

Here's the thing dragons and humans have different life times. The dragons that witnessed and hurt from the ishgardians betrayal are STILL alive to this day. That's why that peace talk was pointless cause they didn't even think of going to the VERY dragons they offended. They are still very much alive now.

Because if there is no peace agreement with the other dragons, the war won't end with Nidhogg's death. The war exists because humans killed one of the elder dragons, and they haven't forgotten it. Going to Nidhogg is pointless since he will never agree to it. He doesn't even consider it a war; it is retribution. Without an agreement with Hraesvelgr, killing Nidhogg would just shift the war from one brood to another. They needed Hraesvelgr to agree that killing Nidhogg would end the war rather than result in another round of 'you killed my brother, prepare to die'.