Wow, no mention of Auction house / MW improvements

[TonyMontana]

then something is seriously wrong with you

there is no excuse for you needing to take 30 minutes to do anything in the wards, and i can 110% guarentee its not the games fault on that one

Lets break it down. How many wards are there? say 15 so you are telling me if there are 53 people selling red corral (roughly 3 retainers per ward) its not believable that i would need to spend 20 seconds interacting with each checking the price on each waiting for the server side stupidity to waste 1-3 seconds per interaction atleast and lets say 45-55 seconds running from one end of the ward to the other 5 or so seconds in a loading screen. So after i have done this for each ward then i have to go back to the ward and retainer that had the best price for the HQ item I was searching for. Do the simple math. it can very easily be a 30 minute ordeal.

[AmyRae]

then something is seriously wrong with you

there is no excuse for you needing to take 30 minutes to do anything in the wards, and i can 110% guarentee its not the games fault on that one

That's just a terrible attitude to take. The fact of the matter is, we should always be looking for ways to improve the Market Wards system, and the HQ issue is a fatal flaw that seems like an obvious choice for repairs. I wouldn't even include that as an argument for an Auction House because it's self-contained as a Market Ward bug that can be easily fixed.

Seriously, who wouldn't want HQ items listed separately from NQ? Don't make this complaint seem like it's out in left field!

In any case, let me make it clear that I want to preserve the Market Wards because they offer a functionality that an Auction House doesn't: offline bazaars. That said, they can't substitute for the economic stability, ease and familiarity that an Auction House provides. The two systems should be in the game side-by-side.

[Tsuga]

That's just a terrible attitude to take. The fact of the matter is, we should always be looking for ways to improve the Market Wards system, and the HQ issue is a fatal flaw that seems like an obvious choice for repairs. I wouldn't even include that as an argument for an Auction House because it's self-contained as a Market Ward bug that can be easily fixed.

Seriously, who wouldn't want HQ items listed separately from NQ? Don't make this complaint seem like it's out in left field!

In any case, let me make it clear that I want to preserve the Market Wards because they offer a functionality that an Auction House doesn't: offline bazaars. That said, they can't substitute for the economic stability, ease and familiarity that an Auction House provides. The two systems should be in the game side-by-side.

Exactly what I'm arguing for.

There are so many closed minded people on these boards. They think "it works for me, so it must work for everyone else!". In reality they're just used to putting up with the BS flaws in this game.

[Seif]

Exactly what I'm arguing for.

There are so many closed minded people on these boards. They think "it works for me, so it must work for everyone else!". In reality they're just used to putting up with the BS flaws in this game.

I don't see how this is a "debate" to begin with. Adding an AH doesn't mean that you won't be able to RP in your wards.

XI had the bazaars too and absolutely nobody suggested ditching the AH and going all bazaar. That is what some people in here are saying.

I think adding an AH is absolutely crucial if SE wants to regain the trust of the players. Quite frankly the tweaks in 1.19 seem pretty minor compared to a big issue that has been holing the game back for so long.

Ah affects every aspect of the game. Every single loot drop is meaningless because the lack of an AH makes finding it's price too much trouble to be worth it.

There is no trade between the classes and the initial recipes in this game were clearly designed to make the community work together through economy.

Also battle strategies are completely non-existent because nobody can count on the fact that rank 25 for example has this or that set of gear because given how hard it is to find the said set such requirement would seem downright unfair.

I could go on all day with the details but simply put every single gameplay aspect of the game is affected in a bad way by the lack of an AH.

[Tsuga]

I don't see how this is a "debate" to begin with. Adding an AH doesn't mean that you won't be able to RP in your wards.

XI had the bazaars too and absolutely nobody suggested ditching the AH and going all bazaar. That is what some people in here are saying.

I think adding an AH is absolutely crucial if SE wants to regain the trust of the players. Quite frankly the tweaks in 1.19 seem pretty minor compared to a big issue that has been holing the game back for so long.

Ah affects every aspect of the game. Every single loot drop is meaningless because the lack of an AH makes finding it's price too much trouble to be worth it.

There is no trade between the classes and the initial recipes in this game were clearly designed to make the community work together through economy.

Also battle strategies are completely non-existent because nobody can count on the fact that rank 25 for example has this or that set of gear because given how hard it is to find the said set such requirement would seem downright unfair.

I could go on all day with the details but simply put every single gameplay aspect of the game is affected in a bad way by the lack of an AH.

There should be no debate at all. There are just a lot of people who don't understand the benefits of an auction house, and are used to the wards, so they think that an AH is unnecessary.

However, as far as I'm concerned leaving the AH out of the game would be as bad as leaving mounts out of the game (which thankfully has been remedied). Or leaving character customization out of the game.

An AH, or the equivalent of an AH (does not need to host actual auctions, blind or not) is standard among modern MMOs. Market Wards should never have been considered as a potential replacement for an AH. Most FREE MMOs have better systems in place for item trade.

[Kugata]

Ppl who dont want AH they just dnt play FFXI i think...it like saying oh ty dear god i have 1 arm why do i need second if i can do what i want with only one!
Only when you got AH you will see the difference
Remember the time when you dint know about s*x and after

[Eekiki]

I don't understand what's your fixation with SE's decision. People will be against/with the decisions made with this game very much like the real world of politics. If it's the majority, people will fight for it. If something doesn't work, people will fight for it. If the old ways works, then why not use the old ways that would benefit everyone else? Why is are some parts of this game setting back methods where XI methods will be say upgraded?

You play an MMO that was bought and you expect people to play downgraded features within it? I really can't accept that you played XI for you to talk down on these people and OP here.

What are you talking about? I'm very sorry, but I can never understand what you're saying.

SE's decision was to focus on rebuilding the battle system before worrying about the UI or the market wards. It was the right decision. Work on the battle system isn't done. Folks will just have to wait. Simple as that.

[Starplayer]

Wowowow, I can't believe this thread is still going. The last time I looked at it, there were something like 30 responses. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. Any thread that has the word 'Auction house' in it's title always seems to become a huge topic.

[Molly_Millions]

Ppl who dont want AH they just dnt play FFXI i think...it like saying oh ty dear god i have 1 arm why do i need second if i can do what i want with only one!
Only when you got AH you will see the difference
Remember the time when you dint know about s*x and after

I played the crap out of XI, so you're wrong. I see merit in the wards, they just need some improvements.

[syntaxlies]

Lets break it down. How many wards are there? say 15 so you are telling me if there are 53 people selling red corral (roughly 3 retainers per ward) its not believable that i would need to spend 20 seconds interacting with each checking the price on each waiting for the server side stupidity to waste 1-3 seconds per interaction atleast and lets say 45-55 seconds running from one end of the ward to the other 5 or so seconds in a loading screen. So after i have done this for each ward then i have to go back to the ward and retainer that had the best price for the HQ item I was searching for. Do the simple math. it can very easily be a 30 minute ordeal.

usually HQ items wilbe priced different like, 5001, 5002, or 5003. now if the item you are look for is normally 10,000 and you see, 10,000, 9000, 11,500, 20,000, 21,001, 30,003 then start with the 20,000. No need to check them all there is a price gap for a reason. that should save you some time