Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[tinythinker]

But seriously, why do you even try to run a duty in DF if you're not ready to deal with certain playstyles? ;_;

The xp or maybe tomes? But yeah there are lots of people who go into DF with a "my way or else" attitude and zero flexibility/patience. If someone is that picky, they should use a pre-made.

[cammi]

You know that moment when you've been training and think you're ready for something harder? Well I had one of those moments just now. I'm normally a monk. I only do DPS in every mmo I've played. For some stupid ass reason I think to level up a healer. I choose the AST and get protect and CT from CNJ then I go and do dungeons in the story order. I watched a few guides and each dungeon was going ok... then I get to Brayflox's Longstop today and all of that shit went to hell. The tank and everyone was taking more damage then I was able to heal. It's not their fault I suck. It was a nightmare, I couldn't get into the game to keep them healed. The tank was pissed and insults were thrown, I didn't say anything but " you're correct" Cause I was failing hard. Things get a little bit better in the run until the last boss. Lots of wipes and stupid mistakes made by me. We finally clear it and now I feel like trying out the AST was the worst choice I could've ever made. I'm not mad at the crap that was thrown my way, I should've been better but I wasn't. So I think I'm just sticking to punching people in the face. I've never been yelled at for sucking at that.

[Kaurie]

50 roulette, I was on warrior, a friend of mine was on bard, we got a scholar and a summoner and ended up in Lost City. I never tanked that dungeon before, so I warned everyone and announced that I'll do small pulls. At the first pack, the scholar told me to pull everything and the bard pointed out that I just said why I won't do that. Then she said "brb gonna help my brother, will be back in 8 hours, I'm sooo sorry", went afk and never returned. We went on nonetheless without kicking her because we all had enough time to waste the scholar's, the summoner healed me until the scholar got kicked automatically for being afk, this was after the first boss. An AST joined and we cleared the rest of the dungeon with almost no problems except that I heavily derped at the last pack before the final boss.

Lame SCH, but seriously, no harm in doing a big pull even if you have not tanked it before. The worst that happens is you all die and immediately respawn with basically 0 penalty.

But seriously, why do you even try to run a duty in DF if you're not ready to deal with certain playstyles? ;_;

On that same note though, I imagine you would have been pretty upset if they had pulled for you - in which case you would not be dealing with their playstyle. I could be wrong on that, but most tanks find this frustrating.

It's perfectly understandable and reasonable to be frustrated by clashing playstyles - that's life.

[NaesakiAshwell]

The xp or maybe tomes? But yeah there are lots of people who go into DF with a "my way or else" attitude and zero flexibility/patience. If someone is that picky, they should use a pre-made.

Me and my two friends had a Bard like that in lost city earlier, he didn't say hi or anything and didn't speak for several minutes. Then randomly asks "Big pulls please." which is what my friend on his warrior was doing.

Everything goes fine and then we get to the first boss, the bard kept intentionally placing himself so that when Neuro Squama happened he'd be facing the tank forcing him to move and he kept doing this every time the ability was happening. Then as soon as the 1st boss died he legged it into the next room and started pulling everything for no particular reason, we ended up kicking him cause at this point he was trolling and not responding to us at all.

[Fluestergras]

Lame SCH, but seriously, no harm in doing a big pull even if you have not tanked it before. The worst that happens is you all die and immediately respawn with basically 0 penalty.

But... but... scareeeeeed D: (yes, I'm quite the cowardly type of tank, laugh if you so wish.)

On that same note though, I imagine you would have been pretty upset if they had pulled for you - in which case you would not be dealing with their playstyle. I could be wrong on that, but most tanks find this frustrating.

It's perfectly understandable and reasonable to be frustrated by clashing playstyles - that's life.

Being frustrated is one thing, what you do about it is another one. This scholar could have stuck with the party and complained about me in FC chat or wherever, or could have eaten the penalty - that's at least what I would do if I heal and the tank doesn't pull at the pace I wish, or if I tank and people pull before me. Refusing to play with the party AND refusing to eat the penalty, and just going afk is just being a dick. But yeah, that's also life, it's just... blergh.

[Kaurie]

But... but... scareeeeeed D: (yes, I'm quite the cowardly type of tank, laugh if you so wish.)

LOL fair enough. I am just starting up playing WoW again (after not playing for years) and I admit, being new to a game/role is intimidating. I have been just doing DPS and not heal/tank specs for that reason.

That said, if you tell everyone you are new and want to take it slow, and the healer says do a big pull - well you can always do a big pull and if you die just say, yeah I am sorry, I am too new to tanking here to do that. Then revert back to your desired pace. The healer is probably experienced healing there and knows that the incoming damage in the two new expert dungeons are laughably low (they are) and that (s)he would have no problems keeping you alive through it.

To give you more info on the PoV of a healer in the new dungeons, as a SCH, I literally can let Eos/Selene solo heal the entire thing. I have done exactly that in several runs and no one ever dipped below 50% HP. Eos/Selene does about 30% of my healing potential, and my healing potential is less than WHM/AST - which means a WHM/AST needs to focus healing for at most ~20% of the time. This changes a little bit when tanks do big pulls. In these scenarios, I do have to cast 3-4 adlo's and 1-2 lustrates (overall, for the entire run). That is likely why the SCH figured they may as well afk, as their pet literally can solo it (it's about the same difficulty as Haukke Manor normal)

Being frustrated is one thing, what you do about it is another one. This scholar could have stuck with the party and complained about me in FC chat or wherever, or could have eaten the penalty - that's at least what I would do if I heal and the tank doesn't pull at the pace I wish, or if I tank and people pull before me. Refusing to play with the party AND refusing to eat the penalty, and just going afk is just being a dick. But yeah, that's also life, it's just... blergh.

Undoubtedly, as I said, lame SCH =P

[Raven_Darkstar]

So last night, about 3 am, me and a tank friend are doing my leveling roulette. Why is it always those 3 am runs that are just so... interesting? It was me (LNC), my friend (PLD), an awesome NIN, and a WHM. Toto Rak.

First sign of trouble: no protect at the start. Okay no big, maybe he doesn't have it. I check to see what kind of healer (I don't always pay attention to that), and sure enough WHM. He has it. And given the rest of his performance in there, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have cast it at all if it hadn't been obvious the group was not going to budge till we had it.

Next issue: As we go through trash, I start noticing I'm having to chase mobs down, they keep getting knocked away from me. Wait a minute. Is he using.. nah. But yes, Fluid Aura. Every. Single. Pull. None of us said anything, though there was much gritting of teeth and biting of tongues.

But wait, there's more! And worse even. This healer never once took off Cleric Stance. Despite being reminded of it very nicely several times. It. Never. Came. Off. And even worse than that? No Esuna. Not Once.

We get through it, get to the final boss, I check to make sure everyone knows the fight. More as a test of whether the WHM was paying attention to chat at all, or maybe didn't speak English. Nope, he answered. Clearly, he's one of those healers. You know, the I queued as healer, but I just wanna kill stuff. What do you mean do my job? I started this character off as WHM, and this just kills me, seeing players like this.

Anyway, this fight was pure chaos. And I was not without a derp moment or two, I was focusing so hard on killing adds, freeing people from flesh pods and trying to avoid the poison puddles, I don't think I hit the tail once. Once the tail is down, I notice everyone's health plummeting, and switch to the boss, dance around the poison and pop every cooldown I have (Raging Strikes, Internal Release, and Life Surge).

Now here's the funny part. A couple rotations later, boss goes down and I look up. Wait a minute, where did everyone go? I check the map. Sure enough, they're all running back from the start. Everyone died except me. The Lancer. LOL. The last one standing, with an almost full health bar. The run kinda sucked, but that awesome feeling of tanking as a non tank class with no one to back you up, and surviving it? Totally made up for it. I wait for everyone, we roll on loot, NIN and I comm each other, and off we go. Away from that sad, sad excuse for a healer.

[KeiranOlive]

Queued into Garuda HM for Trial Roulette the other day as dps.
The MT seems to know what he's doing at first, but then we get to that 'the reckoning comes' phase, and from then on, the MT insists on tanking Garuda in the MIDDLE. A few of us are waiting in the south, asking him to tank Garuda where we're at (or really, anywhere safe from the tornadoes), and one person's even used an aoe to mark the spot, but he just tanks her where all the winds are while he and the dps who're following him get knocked around to various corners of the map.
And then finally, just before we wipe, he starts to head northeast.

This exact thing happened to me about two weeks ago, except I was a whm watching the disaster (and keeping the poor melee alive as they were thrown around like rag dolls). Is this some horrible new trend? I never thought I'd miss the days of light farming when perfect, 2 minute garuda runs were the norm.

[RLofOBFL]

I'm guilty of being mean today....

I queue up to Midas 5 as SCH with my friend PLD, group was 2 SMN 2, BLM, AST, WAR. All have about 210ish except the AST with full 230. Some of the DPS were new, I kinda expect people to know what to do, but if they say they don't I will help em out. So we pull, my friend gets both fausts, AST throws up a card on the group & I start going ham. AST proceeds to...do nothing. I leave cleric a few times to shield & heal MT up. First faust goes down with second at around half health, then hummelfausr indicator pops. Idk I kinda thought people knew that meant proximity bc it's used in other content, but they do not apparently. So two dps go down, I use intom & start succor, then the second faust explodes killing off tank & the other two dps. AST rezzes one dps, I get another with swiftcast, then start on raising the OT. I think, hey the AST can cover me & heal MT while I rez right? Nope. Ast does nothing. MT dies, Hummle proceeds to kill us all one by one.

I say to my friend, let's try again I believe in us lol. I am on PS4 so I can't parse, my friend however told me all the DPS were doing level 50 dps & if I could see it I'd cry. Anyway the damn near same thing happens, we wipe. This repeats again, then again, again, again & one more time. A few of the actual wipes were because I could not for the life of me keep the MT up alone, I spammed adlo+phsy & lustrate til I was out but my friend never made it past 3 stacks which ended with a 14K crit because this AST did NOTHING. We still had about a minute til vote abandon according to one of the dps, I finally break, my friend tells me not to say anything bc it wont matter, but at this point I did not care. I chose my words semi carefully bc I didn't want to be mean but I wanted to type it fast before we tried again so I said something like(not word for word but very close to what I said): "Healer please stop doing nothing & DPS you all need to work on your jobs(I inferred based on the fact all 4 of them couldn't kill both Fausts 5 times in a row, an ilvl200 dps check ), I don't think we can clear this with this group(this felt mean & I feel guilty)."


The dps says something like "yeah i wanna vote abandon so I can work on my job." I did not respond bc part of me thought he was patronizing me. My friend informs me they're vote kicking me (my first :<) which I expect will go through so I say "byeeeee" & two others said it back to me & 20 seconds later, I was kicked. Friend left right after & they had to abandon....I assume <.<


Anyway....I don't understand why kicking me would fix the problem. Especially considering I was the only healing some 90% of the time...I am not sure wth the AST was doing, they threw out a helios or two total & drew cards but that was it. Instead of using thought process, "we lost this dps check 5 times in a row, maybe they're right," they just kick me like that will solve all the problems because I said one thing. I MUST be harrassing them. What is up with this mentality?

[MeiUshu]

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Happens more then you know. If you dare say something you run the risk to be kicked, even if what you said makes perfect sense and was appropriate. Simply said, it shouldnt matter if you got kicked, the important thing is you SAID what you had to say and you can perfectly live with that is all that matters, in my opinion that is