Overgearing content has become a serious issue.

[Rufalus]

SE should make a "Low iLvl Roulette" or something. Get the same dungeons as EX Roulette, but be synced down to the minimal ilvl (and get more tome rewards). I don't think anyone I know playing this game has ever used Minimum ilvl at all.

That sounds like a real expert roulette. They should do that, enforce minimum item level on the expert so it lives up to its name, increase its rewards and expand the list of duties it includes.
The latest dungeons with no sync could just be included in the Lv60 roulette with the rest of them.

[Metalwrath]

I can tell from some of the comments there is a certain mentality from older players that drives this problem i'm talking about.
I remember the first times struggling with content even months after it came out and the fun and challenged from the first few times.
And many older players will remember the fun that came from those challenges too.
The new players aren't getting any of that fun experience we are getting.
Most of the time even if they watch a video in advance they go into say random ex primal,or a trial or riad.half the mechanics are now ignored through overgearing.They aren't experiencing the content at all.they are just getting a zerg rush clear.Telling people to use min ilvl isn't a soloution either as it nobody would help in pf and it can't be df'd

[Uhm]

I 100% agree and I don't understand why this isn't a thing that's talked about more. But I guess people just like to do stuff that you don't even really have to be completely mentally present for.

[Zojha]

Telling people to use min ilvl isn't a soloution either as it nobody would help in pf and it can't be df'd

...how fun can it be if nobody does it willingly?

I mean, I'm all for allowing min iLvL as queue option for duty finder to easier find other players that would like to min iLvL a piece of content. But I wager the queues would be like DFing synced coil these days because people would rather not do it the hard way if somehow possible.

I don't get where people get the idea from that people like challenge when they avoid it whenever possible - from getting themselves better gear, melding, food pots, cheese tactics, going unsynced, better team setup etc etc. Anything that's available to reduce the amount of challenge.

[thorgal]

I can tell from some of the comments there is a certain mentality from older players that drives this problem i'm talking about.
I remember the first times struggling with content even months after it came out and the fun and challenged from the first few times.
And many older players will remember the fun that came from those challenges too.
The new players aren't getting any of that fun experience we are getting.
Most of the time even if they watch a video in advance they go into say random ex primal,or a trial or riad.half the mechanics are now ignored through overgearing.They aren't experiencing the content at all.they are just getting a zerg rush clear.Telling people to use min ilvl isn't a soloution either as it nobody would help in pf and it can't be df'd

so to ask again : what should they do about it ?

[fm_fenrir]

I don't get where people get the idea from that people like challenge when they avoid it whenever possible - from getting themselves better gear, melding, food pots, cheese tactics, going unsynced, better team setup etc etc. Anything that's available to reduce the amount of challenge.

This is basically why I laugh when people say they want more challenging content. They don't.

[Atoli]

New players are supposed to have an easy time catching up. Yes, it frustrates me to see them breeze through old content and never get all the fond memories and feelings out of it that I have.
For example, I remember a time when the trial before Paetoritum actually was a little bit of a challenge - not hard or anything, but with several things people had to look out for. Now the boss dies before even the first set of adds spawn or ANYTHING can happen in that encounter, for that matter.
It's sad, really.
But like some people said already - enforcing that is not the right way, because then nobody will do it at all unless there is no alternative at all.
People don't want a challenge, even if they get better rewards. This goes so far to have many drop a duty with better rewards simply because it might take longer.

[Causality]

For example, I remember a time when the trial before Paetoritum actually was a little bit of a challenge - not hard or anything, but with several things people had to look out for. Now the boss dies before even the first set of adds spawn or ANYTHING can happen in that encounter, for that matter.

Or even Ultima in Praetorium, I remember being there War with about 3.5K health and Pld with 2.6Kis health healers and DPS lucky to have a 2k health and watching people attack and heal while Ultima was still in its 99% damage reduction phase and thinking, yep that's a wipe.

[Ekimmak]

I saw a run of Thornmarch Normal (not extreme, normal) disband because the group kept wiping to the king's limit break with all seven moogles alive.

The more of a gear advantage people have, the easier it is for them to focus on mechanics, but too much of an advantage and they end up ignoring said mechanics, even the ones that are not to be ignored.

Honestly, while I find the maximum iLevel limit to be annoying, it's a lot better than a dungeon with no minimum iLevel. A healer should not have to babysit someone who never learned how to change their gear.

[ChameleonMS]

Like everything in this life, to get people to do it, you need to give them a carrot at the end of the stick.
Mimimum iLVL currently has no carrot and that is fundamental issue. And, bragging points means diddly squat.
If say the carrot was an extra 15 Lore above the normal Expert, I would expect a decent level of acceptance. Max weekly lore cap in two less days by doing this roulette, I'd go for that.