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  1. #21
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    1. Put Eos/ Selene on obey, when they're on Sic they waste ton of spells. 2. Aldloqium is your BFF, it heals and gives you a shield based on that heal, also if it is a critical the shield strength doubles. 3. Try to anticipate damage( Unless you dont dps then you can skip this part) because of sch's low aoe heals ( 1 is on a timer the other is a buff that makes you shield ( galvanize ) into a heal so basically doubles a aldloqium and a succor but with no shields) or your dps dance will be messed up.
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    I can't speak much for 50+ or 8-man content as I've only done "ROFLstomp" aka Operation Archon. However, I can recommend a few things.

    - Flexibility: By now, you will have likely learned how imperative it is to place your fairy so she heals efficiently. This is an indisputable truth. Your PT members will also likely prefer you use Selene for her speed buffs. Her ability to increase overall DPS is also an indisputable truth. However, YOU should be the one to determine what is best for any given situation.

    - Obey/Sic: Don't fall into "always keep fairies on Obey". This is mostly (not always) true for Eos, but not Selene. Remember, flexibility. Selene's AI is actually pretty good, and she is really fast. Plus, due the conditions that need to be met for her to cast, none one of them really go to waste unlike Eos. Learning the AI of your fairies is key to knowing when to have them on Sic and when to have them on Obey, and the situations that will serve you best with each. For example, learn the conditions that Selene will cast Fey Wind, Fey Caress, and Silent Dusk. Don't be afraid to alternate these commands even during a single battle.

    - Micro management: If you are having trouble with this, I recommend doing challenging solo content to practice. Keep in mind that you can make easy content more challenging by nerfing yourself. Fight mob after mob after mob until accessing and using your fairies toolkit is transferred over to muscle memory.

    - Placing your fairy: The place command, honestly isn't much different than setting up Sacred Soil or Shadow Flare. If you can do those, you can place your fairy. Again, practice in challenging solo content. Also don't be shy about summoning a different fairy during battle if need be (hope you have swiftcast). If SC is on CD or you don't have it, then cast without sending her away first to ensure she still heals during the casting duration. I believe you also have access to Embrace during this time, assuming your fairy is on Obey.

    - Healing is your priority: Don't ever forget this. Lacky scholars blame their faires for KO's and wipes. Don't be that person.

    - Succor is AoE galvanize, not AoE heal: If you're casting succor after big damage, you're late. If you're spamming succor to repair said big damage, you're wasting MP. Galvanize should be up to absorb some of the damage, and then reapplied after it is wiped out for the next mob rotation. Sacred Soil + Succor is serious mitigation for the entire group, while Rouse+Fey Illumination+Whispering Dawn will get HP bars back up in no time.

    - TRUST your fairy: They are REALLY good at healing. Allow them to do it while you fish for Adlo crits on the tank.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I can't speak much for 50+ or 8-man content as I've only done "ROFLstomp" aka Operation Archon. However, I can recommend a few things.
    -1. Healing is your priority: Don't ever forget this. Lacky scholars blame their faires for KO's and wipes. Don't be that person.

    -2. Succor is AoE galvanize, not AoE heal: If you're casting succor after big damage, you're late. If you're spamming succor to repair said big damage, you're wasting MP. Galvanize should be up to absorb some of the damage, and then reapplied after it is wiped out for the next mob rotation. Sacred Soil + Succor is serious mitigation for the entire group, while Rouse+Fey Illumination+Whispering Dawn will get HP bars back up in no time.

    -3. TRUST your fairy: They are REALLY good at healing. Allow them to do it while you fish for Adlo crits on the tank.
    After raid Im gonna respond to this :c

    1. No one blames their fairy. xD The fairy is an extension of you. So her heals are your contribution. If they aren't enough, youll need to rouse or use some direct heals.

    2. As long as people are going to be taking damage within 30 seconds, its not a waste. Its a medica that can't be used while its still active, or it loses effectiveness. As long as people won't die from not having more than 100% health, its better to do it after.

    3. Command your fairy. Heal as necessary. You can "fish" for an adlo outside of a fight, but not in it. Adlo isn't something you spam, but you should be using it more often than physick (If you use physick much at all at 60.)
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    After raid Im gonna respond to this :c

    1. No one blames their fairy. xD The fairy is an extension of you. So her heals are your contribution. If they aren't enough, youll need to rouse or use some direct heals.

    2. As long as people are going to be taking damage within 30 seconds, its not a waste. Its a medica that can't be used while its still active, or it loses effectiveness. As long as people won't die from not having more than 100% health, its better to do it after.

    3. Command your fairy. Heal as necessary. You can "fish" for an adlo outside of a fight, but not in it. Adlo isn't something you spam, but you should be using it more often than physick (If you use physick much at all at 60.)
    1. I know this. But it hasn't stopped some SCH I've encountered from blaming their fairies.

    2. If you know dmg is coming within the next 30 seconds, why wouldn't you cast it? If you cast succor after the dmg happens, you are preparing for the next wave of dmg. Yes, it does heal for some HP, but it is far more MP efficient AND faster to get everyone back up between fairy's embrace and your Physick. Abilities like Lustrate and Indom are even more reason to not to use succor to bring back everyone back up after heavy dmg.

    3. Adlo, like succor, is not a heal. It is galvanize, meant to shield. I agree it isn't something you spam. Fishing does not mean spam it. It means 'cast' it. In most instances I've been in, tanks pull too fast for you to cast it pre fight, so you have to use it in a fight. Gathering is actually what taught me to appreciate adlo more, and take risks. It crits more often than people give it credit for, and when it does, you have one hell of a tank buff. There is no reason not to fish for it, especially in drawn out fights. Currently my Physick heals for avg 878 non crit opposed to 616 non crit adlo. If tank is below 70%, they're getting Physick, not Adlo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    1. I know this. But it hasn't stopped some SCH I've encountered from blaming their fairies.

    2. If you know dmg is coming within the next 30 seconds, why wouldn't you cast it? If you cast succor after the dmg happens, you are preparing for the next wave of dmg. Yes, it does heal for some HP, but it is far more MP efficient AND faster to get everyone back up between fairy's embrace and your Physick. Abilities like Lustrate and Indom are even more reason to not to use succor to bring back everyone back up after heavy dmg.

    3. Adlo, like succor, is not a heal. It is galvanize, meant to shield. I agree it isn't something you spam. Fishing does not mean spam it. It means 'cast' it. In most instances I've been in, tanks pull too fast for you to cast it pre fight, so you have to use it in a fight. Gathering is actually what taught me to appreciate adlo more, and take risks. It crits more often than people give it credit for, and when it does, you have one hell of a tank buff. There is no reason not to fish for it, especially in drawn out fights. Currently my Physick heals for avg 878 non crit opposed to 616 non crit adlo. If tank is below 70%, they're getting Physick, not Adlo.
    Shields are heals. They are just heals that cannot be stacked. Every time you cast Adlo or Succor you are healing for 600 and 300 respectively, so long as damage is incoming within 30 seconds. If you shield before the damage is incoming, you are losing 150 potency or half of the heal. Players also have natural health regain. You can shield before the attack if it makes you feel safer, but its a 50% overheal. You are costing yourself 2 GCDs, when 1 would be sufficient. An exception would be when massive raid wide damage is about to go out, and you need the extra healing, like in Sephirot during the third phase with adds. Shielding with succor during the knockback. Virus. Emergency Tactics. Precasting Succor. Succor. Indom. But even that is overheal if you have a good healing partner. (Thats 150+300+300+400 x 8 potency in 6 seconds.) In MOST content, precasting a shield, when you could be DPSing is an overheal.

    Typically though on a single target, if you Adlo for that 600 potency heal (your 616 heal, 616 shield,) your fairy will be given more time to assist you, having 1.5x as much time to help heal.

    Go into a pull. Tank has adlo (maybe even SS).Spamming Embrace at even 100% health. Popping rouse as bio or aero enters your rotation. Fairy can't keep up. CS off. Lustrate. Adlo. CS on. Thats 1200 potency in heals, while the fairy helps to keep up. Its even easier at 50 and below content, because the fairy nerf drops embrace from 300 at level 50 to 200 at level 60.

    Adlo and succor are effecient healing spells that focus on retaining the heal if it would be overheal, but are inefficient if you try to stack them on themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Obey/Sic: Don't fall into "always keep fairies on Obey". This is mostly (not always) true for Eos, but not Selene. Remember, flexibility. Selene's AI is actually pretty good, and she is really fast. Plus, due the conditions that need to be met for her to cast, none one of them really go to waste unlike Eos. Learning the AI of your fairies is key to knowing when to have them on Sic and when to have them on Obey, and the situations that will serve you best with each. For example, learn the conditions that Selene will cast Fey Wind, Fey Caress, and Silent Dusk. Don't be afraid to alternate these commands even during a single battle."
    Also, I missed this one. Selene actually has a terrible AI for Fey Caress. The only time it would be effective is if you know you'll be put to sleep, so that Selene could fey caress you out of it, since you can't micromanage incapacitated. If someone even has weakness, she'll try to Fey Caress it, when they raise. You could make the case for her silence, but an interrupt macro is about as reliable.

    You also want to aim Fey wind's duration for a time when you can maximize your 30 seconds of uptime. She'll use it whenever it goes off of cool down, even if the boss is invulnerable or if you're at the end of a pull.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-18-2016 at 05:30 PM.

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    I guess one piece of advice I can give is always try to pay attention to whether or not you're in Cleric Stance when you're trying to heal. Voice of experience.
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    Alright, I have a better question this time. Is there any way to function as a Scholar with only 32 abilities as opposed to 42?
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    Why do you want less when you can have more and slay the battlefield ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    Why do you want less when you can have more and slay the battlefield ?
    Because it would take 3 bars to handle 42 skills; switching between all of them would take valuable time and focus that would likely be better spent healing and laying down DOTs, wouldn't it? 2 bars totalling 32 skills, I would be able to handle, but juggling 3? Looking at the wiki, I count about 32 skills between Scholar, Conjurer and Arcanist that would be used in normal play.

    Maybe it would make it easier if I explained that I don't have Heavensward, So that's at least 5 standard skills I don't get.
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    That might be that...

    Because heavensward skill are so strong (minus dissipation...)
    That in the end you don't need to juggle with everything.

    Well as a Crafter and all in hand player i play with 4 bar XD
    (Virus and virus macroed take place...)

    ...

    Edit : i can find 34 skill for the scholar and arcanist... HW included
    Did you include the fairy skil ?
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