Can the level for blood for blood be lowered

[lawlHT]

No and we should have gotten more cross class slots in 3.0.

To do...what with, exactly? 5 slots is already one more than needed for most classes as it is

[Chirol86]

I'd rather them make the cross class skill more intuitive. Nothing's more boring than how it is now. It has no diversity throughout classes.
Every tank needs Provoke. Every healer needs Swiftcast, Protect, and Cleric Stance. Every DPS needs Raging Strikes/Quelling Strikes/Blood for Blood/Invigorate. For some classes this takes up three slots right off the bat. I wish they'd do something unique with the cross class that battles a class's weak point but I doubt they'll ever rework it.

[FoxyAreku]

It's funny to me how many people are apparently against this, lol.

I'm all for it. Lancer is the most boring class in the game. (Dragoon is fine, mind, just screw Lancer.) I'd happily have the other cc skills lowered as well.

[Fynlar]

If you're playing bard or machinist or monk or ninja without blood for blood, you are hurting your damage output a good bit.

You are overstating just how much a non-trait-boosted B4B offers. (Hint: the amount is absolutely inconsequential to pretty much anything other than high-tier raid content)

This is taking aside the number of people I've seen die from using B4B at inopportune times just because omgawdz it's extra deeps (and therefore, ironically, end up *losing* a huge chunk of deeps in the process)

Are you serious? You can't effectively tank without provoke in my opinion.

Uhh, if you're doing that badly at tanking to not be able to effectively tank without it, you've got other problems, to be honest.

Yes, if you are doing anything with tank swaps you need it. But there's quite a lot of content where it's totally unnecessary for anything except longer-distance pulls (which is actually how I use Provoke most of the time, just to give it SOME sort of a use)

[Aethaeryn]

You are overstating just how much a non-trait-boosted B4B offers. (Hint: the amount is absolutely inconsequential to pretty much anything other than high-tier raid content)

This is taking aside the number of people I've seen die from using B4B at inopportune times just because omgawdz it's extra deeps (and therefore, ironically, end up *losing* a huge chunk of deeps in the process)

I guess you can call it inconsequential in the land of most DF dps doing less damage at 60 than was possible in BiS level 50 gear. I guess if we're talking about one of those players, it doesn't really make a difference if they buff at all. Not to mention how nice it is for trash pulls, and it only has an 80-second cooldown.

I haven't seen anyone die from using blood for blood at the wrong time since Titan HM was still new and players having 3k hp. Them stomps. Maybe if you stand in crap, I guess.

Anyway, you can survive leveling to 60 without Blood for Blood, but if you wanna do anything harder than farm tomes in expert roulette, you should have it.

[Fynlar]

Anyway, you can survive leveling to 60 without Blood for Blood, but if you wanna do anything harder than farm tomes in expert roulette, you should have it.

Yeah, hence my comment about raid content. That's something where that extra 2.5% will actually matter.

Everywhere else though, you really shouldn't notice it that much. Not having it isn't going to push you back down into level 50 BiS tier of damage >_>

I haven't seen anyone die from using blood for blood at the wrong time since Titan HM was still new and players having 3k hp. Them stomps. Maybe if you stand in crap, I guess.

Standing in crap is depressingly common, yes, but that's not even always what is necessary for B4B to be problematic.

Another common scenario for me was in A4 against Manipulator, when a DPS would get quarantined away from the healers. What I've seen a lot of them do is pop everything they have to try to destroy the add as fast as possible, often including B4B. Unfortunately, the DPS wasn't always at full health, and the tank wasn't always on point (very often, it was a WAR riding Deliverance the entire fight) meaning the DPS would actually hold hate for a few rounds, get his face kicked in, and end up dead in quarantine for the rest of the battle. This sort of thing isn't solely B4B's fault, but the fact remains that a lot of people remain ignorant of times when it's really best NOT to use it.

[Welsper59]

Only if you're exclusively grinding mobs/dungeons for all of 1-31. It doesn't boost FATE exp or levequest exp, that I know of. Dungeon queue time on dps is still pretty awful too. I just did archer/bard on one of my alts from 15-34 last week, and I was usually waiting 30+mins per dungeon rather than the 12-18m average it usually gave me. Granted, I did levequests, fates and hunting log while I waited, but the +30% exp on monster kills during non-dungeon activities barely scratches the grind.

Ah I totally overlooked that. I just kept thinking of dungeon mob exp. It's been a while lol. Still, given the significant difference of exp between normal and dungeon mobs, it's still a large boost where every 3 kills is almost like a free dungeon mobs worth of exp.

[Aethaeryn]

Yeah, hence my comment about raid content. That's something where that extra 2.5% will actually matter.

Everywhere else though, you really shouldn't notice it that much. Not having it isn't going to push you back down into level 50 BiS tier of damage >_>

But there are extreme primals too. And I'm not sure about your 2.5% math (i not gud at math not going to try), but on short encounters like big groups of mobs in expert, it's really nice to pop cooldowns. Over the course of a dungeon, it might only make you finish a few minutes faster, but still. That trash only lives for ~20-30 seconds anyway, so it's more than just a few percent of damage boost. Assuming you're actually AOEing, but I almost always get paired with dps that don't...

I dunno, I just consider it disrespectful to others not having cross-class stuff done for dps buffs at 60. But I also actually try in all content rather than half watching Netflix.

Ninja edit:

Not having it isn't going to push you back down into level 50 BiS tier of damage >_>

I meant I run into a lot of players doing that damage already despite having full xclass stuff. People either don't try or just don't know any better, I dunno. And I meant for those people having xclass buffs would be inconsequential.

[AnaviAnael]

I dunno, I just consider it disrespectful to others not having cross-class stuff done for dps buffs at 60. But I also actually try in all content rather than half watching Netflix.

As someone who's taken the time to get cross class skills, I agree completely. I took the time to get my abilities, you can too. If you're new and you just hit 60 and haven't had the time to get them, nbd. I've partied with a few healers that were in that situation and didn't have stuff like swiftcast or stoneskin. However, to not put an effort into getting cross class skills is flat out lazy. (I'm talking to YOU SMNs who don't have raging strikes! Seriously, how can you not level Archer to 4?!?)

[Causality]

Archer 34 for quelling strikes, conjurer 34 for stoneskin, arcanist 34 for eye for an eye, awareness is gladiator 34... :P But if you wanna knock those all down to a lower level too, I guess I'm fine with it. I have a lot of alts, and leveling stuff for cross class is always my least favorite part.

You forgot the Monk level 42 Mantra!