Xeno believes paladin should NEVER be main tank

[Ragnorak]

I don't really understand this sentence fully..fam? But um, I don't know about below average but I play with people who tank better then him..way better. Doesn't mean he is awful but people must admit there is always someone else better out there. Not everyone films every thing they do in a game..I think I said this in this thread before lol.

Well of course I'm just calling into question the "below average" comment cuz I just don't see it to call the man below average. I don't even think he claims to be the best tank. He used to state that in his videos not sure if he still does its been a while since I watched a video of his but yeah. That's my only issue with what's been said

[Gameplayzero]

DRK MT WAR OT is the best combination in any situation, why is this even a topic?
Also, I don't understand why so many people listen to Xeno and follow his words as gospel. He's decent at the game but not very smart, and a below average tank.

did you even read the topic? cmon guys.

[Erudito]

Well, Xeno up and said it and now I hope it reaches the development teams ears for the next expansion.

The job can tank well enough but its weak and feels weak.

I truly hope something is done to make it a more powerful and organized job by the next expansion.

[Nolr]

Haha I agree paladin is the best main tank

[Alistaire]

Haha I agree paladin is the best main tank

They aren't though. Just by the #s they aren't. It's not a matter of opinion. You wanna say they're the easiest tank sure but they mitigate less, damage less, and have less utility than WAR. What else is there other than not having 2x WAR due to limit break slowdown?

[Reynhart]

they mitigate less

They don't mitigate less.
But what they mitigate over WAR or DRK is either unreliable or meaningless since DRK and WAR mitigates enough.

Saddly, this is not a problem of PLD but a problem on how boss fights are designed.

[Februs]

Sadly, this is not a problem of PLD but a problem on how boss fights are designed.

True, but it is also a Pld problem. Quite frankly, they were designed poorly. They excel at passive mitigation only, but that mitigation is RNG based. They deal pitiful damage. Their stances offer nothing unique in gameplay and have the greatest discrepancy in cost vs reward out of the three tanks, and they are the only tank that has several defensive GCD's that have, at best, niche uses and, at worst, no use at all. Even just looking at defense, comparing that to War or Drk shows a clear difference, because both of those jobs have a full kit of moves that can be used at any time and still offer at least some benefit.

It's true that there are some fights in the game which put Pld's at a disadvantage, just like it's true that there are some fights in which Pld really shines, but there's no denying that the majority of the pitfalls faced by Pld's are caused by the job's terrible design and SE's utter and absolute refusal to do anything to fix it.

[Reynhart]

They excel at passive mitigation only, but that mitigation is RNG based.

If damage was less predictable, then a RNG mitigation would still have a noticeable effect over the course of a whole fight. The issue with Block and Parry is that healers are supposed to precast a powerful healing spell for each tankbuster. They're not precasting for auto-attacks, so they'd ajust their Healing output according to the rate of which you block.

They deal pitiful damage. Their stances offer nothing unique in gameplay and have the greatest discrepancy in cost vs reward out of the three tanks

Actually, PLD is a bit weird here. Yes, Shield Oath is the least powerful of the three tank stances, when you consider what the two other offers on top of thei mitigation. On the other end, Shield Oath is a huge (And I mean HUGE) damage boost over Deliverance, and (with the average mitigation of Flight Or Fight) trumps even Darkside. It's what causes Xeno to think that PLD should not be MT.

they are the only tank that has several defensive GCD's that have, at best, niche uses and, at worst, no use at all.

But, even with those Defensive CD, they're totally on par with the two other tanks. Those CD also allows PLD to completely bypass some mechanic, like when you Covered for Earthshaker or prevent knockback which would cause the boss to move and might make other jobs loses some damage when moving.

Even just looking at defense, comparing that to War or Drk shows a clear difference, because both of those jobs have a full kit of moves that can be used at any time and still offer at least some benefit.

I'd say DRK has a bigger issue than PLD when it comes to design. Dark Passenger gains a Blind effect with Dark Arts, Dark Dance gains an Evasion boost from Dark Arts...but you'd either want to be hit to proc Blood Price or want to parry to proc Reprisal.

[MagiusNecros]

Well as far as the Dodge Tank combo goes for DRK it's just incentive to drop Grit after blowing that 4.4k MP for your Evasion buffs. And then you use Blood Weapon to regen your MP. Only really viable if you have full MP at the moment.

Could probably DA+DD for a single enemy and just have a Summoner or Scholar toss a Ruin 2 at them to save you the 2.5k MP and still get the big Evasion boost.

I mean if the enemy can't hit you there isn't any point in reprisal at that point.

[Reynhart]

I mean if the enemy can't hit you there isn't any point in reprisal at that point.

The evasion boost does not prevent the boss from hitting everyone else with unavoidable AoE.

Since people consider that Blocking is crap because it's unreliable, dropping Grit to rely solely on the Parry and Evasion Boost is pretty risky in any content where you think you'll need the Evasion and Parry boost.