Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Iifa]

In-progress level 50 roulette (30min elapsed). SV HM, 2nd boss. Gave new guy a brief explanation but needed a translator. He didn't understand that he needed to use cannon. One wipe but we got it 2nd try.

Then we get to trash with 2 aevis, and everytime they do the huge aoe skill, he drops to 25% hp. I don't understand how/why. All his gear is i110 except for one lvl39 dex ring. Surely, that isn't enough to make him take such damage? He had less than half of my hp. I basically had to spam helios when we got to the triple aevis.

Last boss, I mentioned to others that they should give him a heads up because I was expecting him to get one hit-dead/KO. Which did happen, thrice. XD Not to be mean, but it was kinda funny. I gave him, protect, stoneskin, asp benefic, asp helios, but he still died. After it ended, I wanted to give him advice, but language barrier.. So I just thanked him and left him the loot, although it was for healer.. ^^;

[VanilleFang]

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I'm assuming his equipment must have broke at some point.

[raela]

Seph HM for trial roulette.. Had some new people. We lost both healers at the first jump, but everyone kept trying anyway. Two of the DPS died, so it was to the two tanks (pld), a mnk, and me on drg.

I died around 20% I believe - I got marked for earthshakers and moved to the far left edge, and my friend (pld) also got marked, and was so focused on healing people, he stood too close to me. I didn't want to move closer to try to get free space, and was worried I'd hit the other two if I tried to run to the right.. So I died.

The plds did a badass job of keeping themselves (and the monk) up with clemency, but the mnk went down around 5%. Everyone was cheering on the plds as HP slooowly dwindled down.. They managed to kill it when it was slamming fists / knocking them to the sides, when they were both around 20% HP. They probably would not have survived add phase.

That feeling of betrayal, though. >:'|

[FabricioRF]

Sometimes, being a WHM in DF feels like this:

[Ebonwings]

Sometimes, being a WHM in DF feels like this:

Yup, like that when tank ignore adds and doesn't take them back which in our mind " Guess I am the tank now?"

This happened to me in yesterday in Haukke Manor NM, last boss tank ignored adds I tanked them while watching the party HP. I don't mind this in low level dungeons since I'm still a WHM with a tank mind. xD

[zmandude24]

Sometimes, being a WHM in DF feels like this:

I've seen healers that think they are dps and I have to pop every cd I have in low level dungeons. Apparently in the DF, a WHM can do all 3 roles.

[Zorafin]

This isn't one particular run, but rather, every single run. I can shrug off one guy every now and then that does something that bugs me. But this is every single person. So I have to get this off my chest.

When I play as a warrior, I've very aware when I party with a ninja. Just the same, when I play as ninja, I'm aware when I play with a warrior.
As a ninja, I make sure not to do my slashing debuff if the warrior did it, since the slashing debuff is my weakest combo finisher and the warrior's strongest. Therefore, no point to use it.
But when I play as a warrior, because the slash debuff finisher is my strongest, I always get upset when a ninja uses his. He's lowering his own damage for no gain. I still need to use mine because it's a DpS increase, so all that it is is a loss for him. So why is he doing it? Isn't he seeing that his debuff is gone as soon as he uses it? Isn't he cursing all that potency lost? Is he mindlessly pressing buttons? How is he keeping any of his bleeds up if he isn't looking at the boss? Is this all just automated for him? I have so many questions, but I'm so annoyed that he's not accepting the free damage I'm provided that I can't think of any answers!
Note I never have this problem when playing with another warrior. They seem to get it.


Then there's playing with melee DpS. I can get not wanting to limit break immediately; dps is an involved job and you don't want to stop what you're doing to do something that someone else could do. But there's a difference between not touching it for a few seconds, and letting a quarter of the fight go by with a full limit break bar. It got to a point where we hit enrage on Brute Justice at 2% with a full limit break bar. If they just used it, we could have had another clear and four of us could have gone home. And if they used it immediately, we'd probably have a lv1 limit break built up that we could use.
Melee. Use your limit break. It's free damage. Even if it messes up your combo, you're coming out ahead.


Finally, healers that AoE heal right as soon as the boss spawns. This happens seemingly all the time, and always causes at least one death. It takes me around seven seconds to secure threat. That's a ton of time for a boss to be chasing a healer around, and there's nothing I can do about it. So if you AoE heal before the tank has a chance to touch it, you're going to die, and it's nobody's fault but your own. You should know better by now. Wait until someone takes damage before you heal.


There, that's the major things. Every run I've had to deal with these. And I just wish it would stop.

[tinythinker]

I've seen healers that think they are dps and I have to pop every cd I have in low level dungeons. Apparently in the DF, a WHM can do all 3 roles.

I've only played for just over a month, and seen tanks want to be dps, dps want to be tanks, and in raids healers who only want to dps, it's the luck of the draw with DF. I don't mind helping as I can with dps as a healer, but, it depends on the group. If a tank pulls 15-20 mobs in a 4 player instance and I have to do Benediction as the pull starts plus Divine Seal+Cure2+Regen+Cure2+Medica2+Cure2+Cure2+Cure2 etc to keep her up, or if a dps pulls lots of extra adds onto himself, it will be fully healer mode 90%+ of the run. If it goes the other way, reasonable pulls, tanks and dps avoiding AoE, might be in dps mode up to 40-50+% of the time depending on the mechanics. Not sure why people queue for something they don't want to do (except dps maybe to cut down on wait times).

[Miste]

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Since you cannot think of any answers here are a couple of possible reasons why NINs might ignore the WAR slashing debuff. It isn't something imo you should get annoyed about if you think of it from a different perspective.

Do you let the ninjas know that you as a warrior will keep the slashing debuff on for them? If you don't communicate your intentions well they might just do it as to not rely on you. Not saying you will forget the debuff but some people like to be in charge of their own stuff and they don't really know you so therefore don't know if you might forget to use it on something. If they've never played WAR or don't know anything about it they might not even know you can do that so that's another reason to communicate your intentions.

Some ninjas just do it because they might not get WAR tanks very often either. So they are used to the muscle memory of keeping dancing edge on. So even if you do communicate they might just not bother. In dungeons I mean it doesn't really matter they are too easy; Dancing Edge combo isn't as strong but its very small difference in overall DPS if you are just refreshing it at the normal intervals for NIN and not spamming it.

Another thing about NIN that some people might not know is Dancing Edge combo is actually more powerful IF you can't do your positional combos. So if for some reason you end up where you cannot be behind the enemy dancing edge actually trumps aeolian edge. This only happens sometimes though.

As for the healer thing...yeah that one gets annoying when you are a tank. Some healers just spam aoe heals all the time when its not needed. Anyway only suggestion would be just be ready with provoke to try to save the healer if they aoe when a boss spawns. Sometimes they just gonna die though but its pretty much their own fault at that point.

[Zorafin]

Do you let the ninjas know that you as a warrior will keep the slashing debuff on for them? If you don't communicate your intentions well they might just do it as to not rely on you. Not saying you will forget the debuff but some people like to be in charge of their own stuff

Well... I kinda can't not provide the slashing debuff. To maximize dps, I need to use maim every 24 seconds. And if I don't finish the combo after maim, I'm losing out on a ton of damage I could otherwise be doing. So my next choice is to either do less damage while lowering the enemy's damage done (and considering you're constantly 20 ilvls above the duty you're doing in this game, that's not very helpful), or to do more damage while also providing a slashing debuff. Unsurprisingly, every warrior I've ever partied with goes for the latter option. Therefore I can assume every ninja partying with a warrior is always seeing the warrior providing the slashing debuff, therefore I can assume that every ninja always has their slashing debuff overwritten when a warrior is in the party, and therefore I can assume that they kinda got the hint that they can relax with the slashing debuff when a warrior is in the party.

I can't presume you know the ins and outs of these two classes, though you do sound like you have a good idea of how they work. But I should still mention that applying the slashing debuff as a warrior requires much less thinking than it does as a ninja. If I use Maim, it's a no-brainer that I'm going to use Storm's Eye afterwards. Everyone should always assume this. But after I use Gust Slash as a ninja, I have three options to go with. I have five seconds to figure out which one is best, and I normally know long before that which I want to go with. That's a long time to look at the enemy I'm fighting, and see that my slashing debuff is gone after I just applied it, and to see that there's another slashing debuff on my target. That's a lot of buildup gone. I should quickly be discouraged from doing it again, and indeed I often am. After the third time it happens, I understand that if there's another ninja or warrior in the party, I should just look at them and follow their lead. Ninjas should be good at that, that's kind of what this class is designed around.

Anyway only suggestion would be just be ready with provoke to try to save the healer if they aoe when a boss spawns.

Thank you for reminding me, that leads to a new complaint. Why is provoke so bad in this game? It's pretty much worthless at the start of the fight (when my above complaint is most notable), and even in the middle of the fight I have to be super ready with berserk/fightflight to get it off another tank (especially if they don't know how to drop aggro). I've learned not to rely on it unless I know there's no way to get aggro back, especially since it has such a huge recast time where I might (will) need it again. It may be functionally the same as it is in WoW, but at least there my abilities had enough of a kick that I could get an enemy off a party member without much trouble.


If any of that sounded aggressive, it isn't toward you. I just need to get this off my chest. Week after week these things affect me, and there's no end in sight.
Like, you're a ninja. Being perceptive is what you do. You need to look at your poisons, your speed buff, your recast timers, lots of things. Looking at slashing debuffs can't be that much more work. It's second nature to me when I'm playing, why isn't it for you?

AHG!!