30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

[Ashbury]

Just yesterday, I was put on a DD group and I make two big pulls to the crystals. I notice the drg in our group is only using heavy thrust on a 12+ pack of mobs. Not the heavy thrust and aoe combo, ONLY heavy thrust.
I call him on it and he says he's eating, plus all other skills take longer to recharge (his words). He then says I am the only one complaining
Am I expected to put up with that through the whole dungeon? And you want to punish me with a 3 hour ban?
Please.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Just curious, but what would you tell a healer that starts DPSing when you die and doesn't rez you?

[Dorander]

Just curious, but what would you tell a healer that starts DPSing when you die and doesn't rez you?

Then I release and run back. At least they started dps'ing. I wouldn't say a thing. If they only dps'ed when I was dead.. then I'd try to stay dead as much as possible.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

This is just a lost cause at this point.

[Dorander]

This is just a lost cause at this point.

You think?

[Natashio]

Was there ever a cause to begin with..

[DeeColon]

Just curious, but what would you tell a healer that starts DPSing when you die and doesn't rez you?

I do that, I will never raise someone in a dungeon unless it's during a locked boss fight because the runs are so short having weakness isn't worth it, return, take the shortcut, i'll give you protect again.

[SaitoHikari]

Yes a good healer can exactly that, I did a lost city hard today with two black mages who only did 800 and 1000 dps each including aoe for the duration of the dungeon into a sub 17 minute run by finishing at over 1100 as the healer.

Yup. People really, REALLY underestimate how much power a healer has if they are able to balance DPSing and healing efficiently. White Mage is probably the easiest class to learn how to DPS as a healer in short bursts, because a Divine Seal-powered Regen + Asylum along with Holy spam basically makes the tank invincible for 10 seconds even against large packs of mobs. If something goes wrong, you have two emergency heals to fall back on. However, we can't really sustain the DPS because Holy eats insane amount of MP and Assize/Shroud of Saints don't recover enough of it. Shroud of Saints especially is pretty much ALWAYS used as soon as possible if I'm below 75% max MP, knowing I won't go back up to 100% by the time the buff expires anyway.

On average, my EX roulettes as WHM are usually in the 18-22 minute range, though I've had really good parties able to clear Antitower in 16-17 minutes. I'm not even talking about pre-formed parties either, I queue solo 95% of the time. People just really don't understand exactly how much power we have unless they try doing it for themselves. And I say this as someone who barely started the game last August. It took a lot of slow progress and perhaps trial and error to get comfortable with the idea of DPSing as a healer, I didn't really start trying to stance dance at all until 3.1 hit. But once you master it - everyone will notice. Leaving your old comfort zone sometimes comes with huge rewards - and perhaps the establishment of a new one.

Although having good judgment is essential as well. If a tank isn't popping their cooldowns or DPS are standing in stupid, swallow your pride and keep them up. Letting them die is counter-productive time-wise, even if you want to make a statement (that will probably fly over their heads anyway). For all we know, they're just having a bad day. And it IS our job, after all.

[NailBach]

i like you, you are funny, but so are most elitists

[Katana190]

This thread has.. derailed..? In response to the OP though, I know it was just an example but 3 hours is very sadistic.. 30 mins is enough, like really, can we not change this? It was already changed in 2.x there is no reason to change it again, if we had such an absurd penalty... well just expect people to be even bigger jerks in instances because the 'casual' player base changed such a stupid thing. If I'm top DPS in a dungeon as a PALADIN.. I'm out and will wait the 30 mins doing something else and re queue hoping to get a better group. Just my opinion