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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    Dungeon is pretty much a cake walk, anyone that just recently pick up healing that can read their skill description can pretty much get the work done. End game healing is what make or break healers. We test healer by making then solo heal Ex Seph.
    Solo healing can get rough! Another fun activity is to double sch content without voice. It's pretty fun and allot less room for error than a traditional composition. The main healer dpses more, while the off heal has to watch for when the main healer isn't going to make it in time.
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    The point of the test is to see is u can be a dependent healer under high pressure.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    The point of the test is to see is u can be a dependent healer under high pressure.
    And that's where I find the error. The healer should know all about pressure before even going into an end game instance like seph ex. You want someone there who's had nothing but "cake walk" dungeon runs, and hasn't felt pressure?

    I've felt pressure and plenty of it. Qarn, Cutter's Cry, and now the Vale have all been instances where the dmg is as heavy as the mechanics that cause it, and wipes were totally imminent if I wasn't doing my job. So quite honestly, I feel pretty damn good about solo healing, and you invalidating the experience as lacking any kind of pressure flies right over my shoulders. I can't let comments like yours bring me down if I am going to handle the endgame pressure, because you're certainly not helping.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    And that's where I find the error. The healer should know all about pressure before even going into an end game instance like seph ex. You want someone there who's had nothing but "cake walk" dungeon runs, and hasn't felt pressure?

    I've felt pressure and plenty of it. Qarn, Cutter's Cry, and now the Vale have all been instances where the dmg is as heavy as the mechanics that cause it, and wipes were totally imminent if I wasn't doing my job. So quite honestly, I feel pretty damn good about solo healing, and you invalidating the experience as lacking any kind of pressure flies right over my shoulders. I can't let comments like yours bring me down if I am going to handle the endgame pressure, because you're certainly not helping.
    Well good luck with that, from my exprience jumping str8 into the fire is the quickest way to learn. Comparing dungeon to a end game is like day and night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    Well good luck with that, from my exprience jumping str8 into the fire is the quickest way to learn. Comparing dungeon to a end game is like day and night.
    Some learn like you do, straight into the fire (me too!). But I've known a lot who benefit from a ramp up in difficulty and some of the dungeons do help (AV is one). I think one of the biggest weaknesses of the game which you allude to is that there is a pretty massive jump from 4 man (or 24 man) content to extreme primals and savage raiding (dungeons really do not prepare you for this). The game could use more of a ramp for those who need to build up the skills at a slower pacing.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    Well good luck with that, from my exprience jumping str8 into the fire is the quickest way to learn. Comparing dungeon to a end game is like day and night.
    I'm not the one comparing them. If I wanted an end game conversation I would have structured the thread like that. You're simply here to bring your leetist attitude and invalidate the experience. You as a player with much more in game experience really should know better that not everyone operates at the same skill level and learn at a different pace. You like to jump into fire? Fine. Don't spout your mouth off telling others they need to learn the same way.

    When you would like to discuss 1.0 content with a young player trying to learn this game without knocking them down, I would be happy to hear about your experiences.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 05-10-2016 at 04:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I'm not the one comparing them. If I wanted an end game conversation I would have structured the thread like that. You're simply here to bring your leetist attitude and invalidate the experience. You as a player with much more in game experience really should know better that not everyone operates at the same skill level and learn at a different pace. You like to jump into fire? Fine. Don't spout your mouth off telling others they need to learn the same way.

    When you would like to discuss 1.0 content with a young player trying to learn this game without knocking them down, I would be happy to hear about your experiences.
    And I am here to tell no one care if u heal through AV first time, there are millions of player out there that just learning to heal, I don't see them trying to grab attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I'm not the one comparing them. If I wanted an end game conversation (...)
    You start by asking if AV is a nice test for healers.. some people disagree and bring up something they do consider worthy.. as some people are mostly involved in end-game and are long past the point of being new to this game, of course it's gonna end up revolving around end-game. Now you complain about people for disagreeing with your idea that AV is a good healer test?

    Anyway, I think AV, as well as the other dungeons you mentioned earlier, are a step up on the difficulty curve.. I'd not see it as a test though, it's just introducing new stuff for you to deal with (and yes, that can be a challenge).. the test comes at end-game, as that's where it has real social consequences.
    If you feel it's a test, that's perhaps making it harder on you mentally tho.
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    Last edited by Vulcwen; 05-10-2016 at 05:57 AM.

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    Gemina, you did well & you should be proud, regardless of others opinions. Fact is, a large portion of the game isn't 'end game'. Just because some people are at that stage, doesn't negate the stages before that, or peoples individual journey through the game. Personally, I thought your post was a breath of fresh air, and I know I'd much rather run a dungeon with you than some of the other highly opinionated end gamers. People seem to be so quick to forget their progress through the game. AV definitely can be a test for healers, especially if you're running with a group who are making some mistakes.

    Don't worry about the people belittling it. You know you did well, and you feel more confident healing as you're progressing through the harder dungeons. There will always be the angry little toads in DF, or the know it all's.. I've come to realise they're usually just overcompensating for their own failings... Or are just literally, full time, angry little toads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    And I am here to tell no one care if u heal through AV first time, there are millions of player out there that just learning to heal, I don't see them trying to grab attention.
    Rude.
    Also, the only attention grabbing I'm seeing in regards to this thread is coming from you?
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