Dev Request: Change Seal Rock Gear Achievements to Frontlines Gear Achievements

[EvinnaReed]

Its dead because a lot of people prefer Frontlines to the Wolves Den style. It will definitely be dead once new Frontlines comes out.

[AdamZ]

Isnt that always the case? This goes for the old pre hw modes and even for pve stuff like coils are dead in df.

That is not true at all. Adding in the unsyn'ed option made it easier to go back and get everything pre HW, and they even built the relic weapon about getting poe's (and then later CT) to ensure people could clear them and farm them.

PvP does not work like that nor can it. The population who PvP is too small to support all the game modes. Therefore the only solution would be to tie old rewards to new modes.

Personally I would say no to titles (as they are generally very specific to that mode), but gear and mounts why not? (Example they add new content to what is included in the tank mount achievement)

They could easy tie it to current. For example in feast you get the ship at 200 wins. They have an achievement for 500 wins, so how about that also giving the ADS mount, and the 1000 wins achievement give the horse (know feast is not GC locked, but who cares, you get the horse of the GC you are in at that time)

[RedHerb]

I kinda like when my achievements hold weight. So no, I don't want them to tie the gear and mount drops to other achievements. That's not fair to the people who worked hard to earn them. Just get what you can.

[Zojha]

I kinda like when my achievements hold weight.

Mhm...where was this quote about what if the first ape to climb down his tree had that attitude?

The point of this thread is, people would like to put in that "hard work" and earn the items themselves - they just won't be able to. And now, we're brainstorming solutions to allow people to put in a similar amount of work as those people you so vigorously defend to earn the same items. Because same rewards for same effort is "fair". Forcing people to put in vastly more effort (like organizing seal rock matches over forums and external sites) for the same rewards would not be fair.

There aren't that many solutions here. You can put the rewards elsewhere, you can lower the requirements for the rewards to reflect the additional effort required to earn them, you can lower the entry requirements to account for the smaller participation. That's about it.

[RedHerb]

Mhm...where was this quote about what if the first ape to climb down his tree had that attitude?

The point of this thread is, people would like to put in that "hard work" and earn the items themselves - they just won't be able to. And now, we're brainstorming solutionsto allow people to put in a similar amount of work as those people you so vigorously defend to earn the same items. Because same rewards for same effort is "fair". Forcing people to put in vastly more effort (like organizing seal rock matches over forums and external sites) for the same rewards would not be fair.

There aren't that many solutions here. You can put the rewards elsewhere, you can lower the requirements for the rewards to reflect the additional effort required to earn them, you can lower the entry requirements to account for the smaller participation. That's about it.

But it's not the same effort. If you want the gear, just queue up into seal rock. People complain that the next battleground kills off the prior but if you normalize all of it, there's no incentive to go back and play older battlegrounds.

[Zojha]

People complain that the next battleground kills off the prior but if you normalize all of it, there's no incentive to go back and play older battlegrounds.

That is incorrect. In WoW, new battlegrounds did not kill off old battlegrounds because the primary incentive to queue for any specific battleground is the playstyle it offers. People who preferred capture the flag over king of the hill went Warsong over Eye of the Storm all the time every time. The reason this effect exists here is because there is not a large enough community to support more than one. This forces people to either play the most popular one, even if it's not the one they prefer, or not play at all. In case you missed it: Seal Rock is not everyone's favourite mode, it's just the only one that ever pops, that's why people only queue for it.

And this is why having to queue into seal rock would not be the same effort, it would be a far, far larger effort. If it pops at all, it is a much larger time investment in queue times, which comes with much larger opportunity costs. If it doesn't, you'd have to organize matches yourself, which I bet is far more effort than you or other people put into just queuing up. According to yourself, such would not be fair, because you and other people would have had a relatively easier time, thus devaluating everyone's future efforts.

Since you seem to be all about fairness, you must now be burning with the desire to rectify this gross injustice. Feel free to add your own ideas since you approve of none of the possibilities to do such. Or, be an egoistical hypocrite, which is the more likely thing. The choice is all yours. Personally, I'm out, there's no point in arguing with people who kill off their own position like that. It's not even fun.

[Morningstar1337]

How about cycling Tournaments. Each "season", Players can queue into a specific maps to fufill a certain objective (like say having a team get 200 Tomeliths in Seal Rock), during this cycle the map in question gives a bonus 600 Wolf marks and can be queued without being Tied to a Grand Company. There will be different Prizes from Feast's Version, like maybe Level 1 Glamour Gear, a item to redeem for Mogstation items, Minions that cannot be obtained anymore like the Wind-Up Bahamut, etc.

The Catch, There were will be more Winners compared to Feast (This is a by Server basis with maybe 5-20 people per server). An this will alternate with Feast Seasons

The rewards will Range From

• An item to exchange for Mogstation or Merchandise Items (this will be the rarest prize)
• Level 1 generic Versions of any of the i100, i110, i180 or i205 sets of your chose (also done with an item to enhance to a NPC, the items will be able to be store in the Armoire)
• Unique Glamour items
• A Mount
• and 3 Phails of Fantasia

Many will enter, few will win, queues will improve for older maps, but there will still be a "flavor of the month" factor