I was sick of tomes in 2.0 now I loathe them in 3.0

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That isn't really a solution. I'd rather just have both options than one, if that is the issue. For example, Expert dungeons could drop 220 level gear instead of 195. Expert dungeons should be tuned as such though - and then level 60 roulette could be the 'easy faceroll' stuff that you can grind away for Lore if you don't want something challenging.

There is a massive difference between 'challenging' and 'savage' unfortunately.

I don't entirely understand the don't have time argument. I'd rather be undergeared and behind while having fun, than caught up in max gear by doing chores. What part of the gameplay of content that requires no effort and very little thought, giving out a very predictable currency for an item is fun for you?

Fun is subjective though. I'm still having fun playing the game as it is, but then, I have someone I play with who also enjoys the game for what it is. I enjoy the dungeons, and I get my grinding kicks from the relic quests. Sure, I'd love it if they added harder dungeons, or made the experts actually drop relevant gear and be moderately difficult, but that's different from wanting no tomes at all.

[Ashkendor]

Its a means of being rewarded with the best gear for the easiest, most mundane content that is excessively repetitive.

This statement doesn't make any sense, though. You don't get the best gear from tomes alone. You get the best gear (for some slots) from a combination of tomes and raiding. Lore gear is only i230 without the upgrade materials from Alexander Savage until months down the road when they're put into the Weeping City of Mhach raid as "catch up" material.

Even then, you're still doing other content besides Expert Roulette to get that "best gear".

[Kaurie]

Fun is subjective though. I'm still having fun playing the game as it is, but then, I have someone I play with who also enjoys the game for what it is. I enjoy the dungeons, and I get my grinding kicks from the relic quests. Sure, I'd love it if they added harder dungeons, or made the experts actually drop relevant gear and be moderately difficult, but that's different from wanting no tomes at all.

Fun is subjective is directly related to my question. I first listed that I would rather be having fun, as previously described - showing how I have fun. And then I asked how you have fun.

As for your second point, I dislike tomes a lot (so I'd rather them be gone completely), but I understand some people like them - that is why i'd rather have a system which has both.

[Elky]

Funny how people complain about it but dont offer a viable solution or reasonable alternative that will suit the playerbase as a whole and not just raiders in general.

I wasn't aware that I'm an employee of Square Enix. I was under the impression that I'm a customer. Silly me. guess I'll go back to work making new concepts for the game. Whats my hourly wage captain?

[Kaurie]

I wasn't aware that I'm an employee of Square Enix. I was under the impression that I'm a customer. Silly me. guess I'll go back to work making new concepts for the game. Whats my hourly wage captain?

I will pay you 10 posts per day to code a new system!

[Elky]

This statement doesn't make any sense, though. You don't get the best gear from tomes alone. You get the best gear (for some slots) from a combination of tomes and raiding. Lore gear is only i230 without the upgrade materials from Alexander Savage until months down the road when they're put into the Weeping City of Mhach raid as "catch up" material.

Even then, you're still doing other content besides Expert Roulette to get that "best gear".

meh, I'm just getting bored of a realm reborn. I mean heavensward. They're kinda the same thing when you take out the story and flying. I could've worn I bought an expansion...

[PotatoWafflez]

I still would rather they just raised the cap every week and removed the reset altogether.

So instead of going from 450/450 on a Monday to 0/450 after reset rinse repeat,
you go from 450/450 or say 230/450 to 450/900 or 230/900 and then 900/1350 and like 460/1350, that way you are always in a position to "catch up" as you have the ability to get the maximum amount of tomes as everyone else currently playing for that tome cycle and you still have the time gating its just not punishing anyone for taking a week off.

[Ashkendor]

meh, I'm just getting bored of a realm reborn. I mean heavensward. They're kinda the same thing when you take out the story and flying. I could've worn I bought an expansion...

You did buy an expansion. What you didn't buy is a completely new game.

[Iromi]

Its a means of being rewarded with the best gear for the easiest, most mundane content that is excessively repetitive.

Yeah, this is what I do not like. I am okay with people getting decent gear from this stuff...but they need more options, more horizontal gear choices...less...vertical aka only one way. Sure, you can get tomes from instanced content (void ark, alexander, roulette) and then from hunts....but that is it. They didn't bother fixing and updating diadem like they said they would and this game is just too vertical right now. I don't hate the game, it has potential sure, but if things don't change in the future I don't see myself sticking around much longer...and I been here since alpha 2010. :/

They need something else, 8 man dungeons with interesting choices and dynamic stuff, open world coffers like we had in 1.x, that kinda stuff! Don't get me started on getting our 1.x stats bck too...I kinda gave up on that despite them saying they're putting them in (yeah right)

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Had to cut the post cuz its tellin me its too long ; ; But yeah the only proof I can offer as far as people quitting and not coming back after taking a break is a loooooot of my friends and FC. Now, my FC is still pretty active and stuff..but all my 1.0 friends and a LOT of the people I've known have taken a break since summer 2014 and never came back >.> A ton of my friends/FC/LS came back for HW and then quit about 3-4 weeks after...still have not come back. Out of my huge group of friends...there is still a good chunk of us left but then again an even larger chunk of them all quit and never want to come back. Granted that is nothing compared to the thousands who play the game but it is just from my own observation.

[Elky]

Side note, theres nothing special about tome gear. No special effects, all what tome gear provides is a few more stats than the previous gear. At least we can meld this gear.