Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

Mentor testing.
--Erim Nelhah

My own take on the idea is a series of specialised trials that must be passed to receive mentor status. Trials that will test your ability to adapt to different situations, and your ability to utilise your job's basic skills. And mentor status for combat jobs should probably be more segregated, with people receiving designated "Tank/Healer/DPS Mentor" status, rather than having mentor status for every role at once.

[Reiryuu]

Had a pleasant little group in Expert Roulette the other day. WHM (myself) DRK BLM DRG. (Japanese server, I'm the only English speaker, but I can read and speak Japanese well enough.)

I had just gotten home from work and was a little tired after a long day. Everything goes fine with the group, but the first boss was a bit of a durrrh for me. I spaced out when the frog magic hammers or whatever it is on the tank to give them concussion. Forgot to esuna, but healed the tank up, boss dies we move on. DRK says to me in Japanese that it can be esuna'd. I told him yeah I know I kinda spaced out. Long day at work. He laughed, said It's actually a good thing. Gave him a chance to recover his MP. We all had a good chuckle over it and that was pretty much that.

[TheCarnivalBoy]

Time for a rant!

For the first time in my (almost) two years playing this game, I ran into a player that has left me literally shaking. Got my closest friend into playing the game and after getting bard to 50, she's decided to try levelling a healer for a change of pace. As someone who has all healers at 60 and plays all of them, I tanked the first few dungeons with her tonight to pass on some tips.

We got to Halatali, me as DRK, her was CNJ, and a MNK and NIN as dps. Everything goes well (really well, actually) until the first pull after the second boss. I grab the two mobs and one of the DPS pulls the first chain. No big deal, probably was hoping for a chest or bomb, but three Lightening Sprites spawn, and my friend has to panic heal (we'd been taking it easy up to this point so she could get the basics down). We lived and moved on, nothing was said, so I grab the second set of mobs (which is the same as the first set with an added snake this time), and the DPS feels the need to pull the chain again, spawning another three Lightening Sprites. We die and I ask the DPS to not pull the chain because the healer is new, but the dps said the best way to learn is through 'harsh lessons'...

We go back and forth a bit, me saying that I want to take it easy for my friends sake, and the DPS mocking my tanking skills (my tanking was fine, by the way, all my tanks are at least level 50, so I can definitely tank Halatali). I started a vote kick on the NIN based on some rude comments (she was a Mentor, by the way), which passed, and the monk told my friend and I to kill ourselves...

This is the reason I was shaking, what was the need to say something so extreme? It left us both completely disheartened. Look, if you want to tank then switch to a tank, don't force a healer that's been healing for 5 minutes to heal beyond their comfort level and then blame me and said healer for the wipe.

Think we'll be sticking to running things with out FC for a while.

[Mkei]

@TheCarnivalBoy
I don't think healing skill has anything to do with that anymore. Incoming damage was simply bigger than the incoming heals. This is not normal, which is why we let the tank set the pace.

...I may say that, but I just got out of a Tam-Tara Deepcroft where the healer told me to "Pull everything". So I did. We had two melee, MNK DRG, so not much for AoE. Barely put a dent in his MP. I dont play a healer, so I have no clue how he does it, but that's monstrous.

Edit: He was SCH.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Time for a rant!

For the first time in my (almost) two years playing this game, I ran into a player that has left me literally shaking. Got my closest friend into playing the game and after getting bard to 50, she's decided to try levelling a healer for a change of pace. As someone who has all healers at 60 and plays all of them, I tanked the first few dungeons with her tonight to pass on some tips.

We got to Halatali, me as DRK, her was CNJ, and a MNK and NIN as dps. Everything goes well (really well, actually) until the first pull after the second boss. I grab the two mobs and one of the DPS pulls the first chain. No big deal, probably was hoping for a chest or bomb, but three Lightening Sprites spawn, and my friend has to panic heal (we'd been taking it easy up to this point so she could get the basics down). We lived and moved on, nothing was said, so I grab the second set of mobs (which is the same as the first set with an added snake this time), and the DPS feels the need to pull the chain again, spawning another three Lightening Sprites. We die and I ask the DPS to not pull the chain because the healer is new, but the dps said the best way to learn is through 'harsh lessons'...

We go back and forth a bit, me saying that I want to take it easy for my friends sake, and the DPS mocking my tanking skills (my tanking was fine, by the way, all my tanks are at least level 50, so I can definitely tank Halatali). I started a vote kick on the NIN based on some rude comments (she was a Mentor, by the way), which passed, and the monk told my friend and I to kill ourselves...

This is the reason I was shaking, what was the need to say something so extreme? It left us both completely disheartened. Look, if you want to tank then switch to a tank, don't force a healer that's been healing for 5 minutes to heal beyond their comfort level and then blame me and said healer for the wipe.

Think we'll be sticking to running things with out FC for a while.

I'm sorry you and your friend had to experience something so awful, honestly those type players should be banned without a second thought because that kind of behaviour should never be tolerated and I hope you reported them.

Those kinds of people should not be playing mmo's or any online game for that matter but unfortunately this is the internet and they are keyboard warrior's and will say whatever they want because they see no repercussions to their actions and will simply not care at the potential harm that their words might have, its been proven many times over that words can cut deeper than any knife.

However, horrible as they are, they are merely an avatar on the screen spouting a whiny tantrum and you have to do your best to not let it get you down or you'll ultimately wind up a nervous wreck and unable to have faith or trust in other players, there are many good apples out there and I hope you find them more frequently its just the spoiled and rotten ones like to stand out but you just need to bin them and forget about them.

[Lunaxia]

I recently got my PLD (and first tank!) to 60, and decided to give EX roulette a whirl. My gear isn't fantastic - just the Dravanian set with some eso gear, but I figure I'd give it a shot and see how it goes. You never improve without practice, after all!

I got thrown in with a WHM, BRD and a NIN. A quick gear check tells me they're in more or less fully-melded Eikon gear. Hmm. Oh well, it's not like they're a BLM or SMN, and provided I focus on the right adds, it should be fine, right? Oh, the naivety.

Not only were both of them the "unleash absolute hell before the tank's even finished pulling" sort, they were also the "throw up every cooldown they have and each attack a different target" kind of DPS. Add that on top of "act snotty towards the tank 30 ilvls below them for letting an add get away for ten seconds", and it made for a wonderfully pleasant run. I couldn't pull smaller either, as the WHM would impatiently run on ahead in that "pull bigger!" way so I ended up trying to hold aggro on huge mobs while the NIN and BRD nailed their own targets in between throwing up buffed AoEs. My MP bar was a sad sight.

My only payback was at the end, when in a obvious show of disdain, neither DPS bothered to free me when I got dollhouse'd. I ended up getting released automatically, but not before the NIN took aggro, got completely whaled on with Knockout and KO'd right before the end of the fight. I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while.

[tinythinker]

I ask the DPS to not pull the chain because the healer is new, but the dps said the best way to learn is through 'harsh lessons'... I started a vote kick on the NIN based on some rude comments which passed, and the monk told my friend and I to kill ourselves... This is the reason I was shaking, what was the need to say something so extreme?

That was more than just mean or childish, and it should be absolutely reported ASAP. I don't care if the person was a snotty 12 year old or bitter 60 year old or somewhere in between, such behavior violates the ToS and the spirit of the game's community.

There are many times in life people have to endure abusively harsh words and callous rudeness, but this is a game many people actually play for fun, and those who forget that or who think cruelty is fun should be be firmly reminded that there limits to what they can get away with when playing with others in a game other people also pay for.

[Ashkendor]

We die and I ask the DPS to not pull the chain because the healer is new, but the dps said the best way to learn is through 'harsh lessons'...

*sigh* that guy apparently doesn't realize that in low level dungeons, all healers have is basic cure spells. It's not like at high levels where you have a ton of instant heals and buffs and other cooldowns to fall back on. What you have is Cure spam and if that isn't enough you're pretty much shit out of luck. Basically, he sounds like a complete idiot to me. Or a troll. Hard to decide which.

I started a vote kick on the NIN based on some rude comments (she was a Mentor, by the way), which passed, and the monk told my friend and I to kill ourselves...

Sounds like he was queued with the NIN and got mad that they got kicked.

This is the reason I was shaking, what was the need to say something so extreme? It left us both completely disheartened. Look, if you want to tank then switch to a tank, don't force a healer that's been healing for 5 minutes to heal beyond their comfort level and then blame me and said healer for the wipe.

Yeah, I would've been pissed too. You were perfectly justified in kicking the NIN.

Think we'll be sticking to running things with out FC for a while.

Luckily players like that are a minority. The behavior should be reported, though.

My only payback was at the end, when in a obvious show of disdain, neither DPS bothered to free me when I got dollhouse'd. I ended up getting released automatically, but not before the NIN took aggro, got completely whaled on with Knockout and KO'd right before the end of the fight. I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while.

Lmao. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I'll never understand the attitude of some DPS that either think that it's 1) fun or 2) that they're teaching the tank a lesson via "tough love" when they play this way. Quelling Strikes is a thing. Pulling your punches is a thing. Mechanics are a thing. Every ExRo dungeon isn't about your stupid parse; it's about working together to clear the content with the least amount of stress on everyone in there with you. If I get a low geared tank and I pull off of them despite my best efforts, I feel bad and I apologize. If I'm on healer, yeah I'm definitely one of those 'sprint ahead' types but that's mostly because that's how I'm used to having to play to keep up with the group. If the tank doesn't keep going, I double back. If I accidentally pull mobs while running ahead, I apologize. I swear, apologizing and working with people doesn't hurt a bit!

Another funny bit about your story is that since the second Dollhouse actually had a chance to go off, the DPS couldn't have been all that spectacular to begin with. Really DPS-heavy parties will burn the boss down before the mechanic ever happens. Not to mention the fact that he was a ninja, so that never should've happened if he was actually using his skills correctly. Hah. xD

[Ebonwings]

snippy.

Don't worry too much about it since they hold nothing back. Not to mention that revenge is sweet as time passes. XD

[AnaviAnael]

We go back and forth a bit, me saying that I want to take it easy for my friends sake, and the DPS mocking my tanking skills (my tanking was fine, by the way, all my tanks are at least level 50, so I can definitely tank Halatali). I started a vote kick on the NIN based on some rude comments (she was a Mentor, by the way), which passed, and the monk told my friend and I to kill ourselves...

That is awful and I'm so sorry this happened to you and your friend. I truly hope you reported them. Aether data center definitely could use a few less baddies!

BTW, please do NOT take their advice. ^^