Can we have 0/0/4 for Dungeons please? No? Then maybe harder dungeons please :(

[Belhi]

Can't do that with HW content, unfortunately (since that setting is part of the Unsynched settings, and those are unavailable for HW content), so it doesn't really help when it's the level 60 dungeons we're talking about ^^;

Really? I knew you couldn't go unsynced but I didn't know you couldn't use the ilvl sync. That's a bummer. I still think it would probably be one of the best ways to add a more difficult alternative since the system is already there. Just slap a bonus for using it to do content and people will be interested in it.

[Derio]

Just form your own group and do undersized party option. Or go play DCUO if you want 4 dps dungeon groups.

[PArcher]

Really? I knew you couldn't go unsynced but I didn't know you couldn't use the ilvl sync. That's a bummer. I still think it would probably be one of the best ways to add a more difficult alternative since the system is already there. Just slap a bonus for using it to do content and people will be interested in it.

Or, you know, go grab a set of gear at that ilv and go in...

[Zigabar]

You can already do this. Preformed parties have no restriction on composition. We did an all SMN run a while back in my FC just for kicks.

I miss doing full SMN runs of WP back in 2.0.

[Belhi]

Or, you know, go grab a set of gear at that ilv and go in...

That's a real pain, particularly with varying ilvls. You would need 3 different full sets just for the lvl 60 HW dungeons.

[Lambdafish]

To the people are saying that people complained and took the easy route, that is because there IS an easy route, the problem with Pharos etc. wasn't that they were too hard, it's that pharos launched alongside dungeons which were much easier and quicker. The problem is difficulty balance in roulettes, not difficulty itself.

[Belhi]

To the people are saying that people complained and took the easy route, that is because there IS an easy route, the problem with Pharos etc. wasn't that they were too hard, it's that pharos launched alongside dungeons which were much easier and quicker. The problem is difficulty balance in roulettes, not difficulty itself.

Well they cant just make only hard dungeons because there are plenty of people out there who don't particularly want hard dungeons, particularly if they are grinding currency.

[Lambdafish]

Well they cant just make only hard dungeons because there are plenty of people out there who don't particularly want hard dungeons, particularly if they are grinding currency.

so whats the solution? because they can't have unbalanced dungeons. And if I'm honest, 3.2 has been such a breaking point for me on how bad dungeons have become, antitower was basically a straight line with mobs that barely hurt.

How would you propose they improve that?

[Felis]

premade party - be free to setup the roles how your party want it (can communicate together before entering the dungeon)

random party - the system decide the setup of the roles, so it work the best with every type of players who just meet the first time (can't communicate together before entering the dungeon)

The only problem is that the current dungeons are balanced around the idea that even 4 bad players should still be able to clear it. But that is about the dungeons itself, not the party setup. A 1/1/2 party can be, with the right dungeon, still challengeable. See Aurun Vale.

[Ghishlain]

It's not really a joke. It sounds like a joke but it's a good challenge.

Players complain about challenge when they could easily ramp up the challenge themselves through user-imposed restrictions. This happens in a ton of games.

"I'm going to beat Street Fighter without using any kick buttons"
"I'm going to beat Mega Man without taking a single point of damage and using only my buster"
"I'm going to solo this really tough monster in XI using WHM"

More specific XIV examples
"Let's go beat up Twintania in i55 gear"
"Let's go beat up Nael in i70 gear"
"Let's go do Twintania with only classes"
etc etc

Even in this thread people are suggesting "Just go in with 4 DPS yourself and see how it goes". That's the challenge.

Yes, it would be nice if S-E did cater to that section of the player base by providing more difficult dungeons but at the same time there's nothing stopping the players themselves from restricting themselves in specific ways to increase the challenge.

I'd be curious how many people actually cleared Savage SCoB at ilvl. I imagine "not that many" else we'd probably see more development towards "challenge raids" that had no reward associated with it - it's there purely for challenge.

In lieu of that - players should challenge themselves if they want to see more difficulty. Play that min ilvl sync and see how much better you get. Still too easy? Then play it in white gear. Play it only classes. Etc etc.

You don't need S-E to tell you that content X, Y, Z is challenging - tell yourself to do it.

[EDIT] Oh, post I was responding to got deleted >>;.... *Hides the quote*

I love how everyone's response to how lolsy modern MMOS have become is "go in with white gear"... What a joke "Oh 95% of the game is too easy? Have you tried gimping yourself, sir?"