Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[zmandude24]

I decided to try out the 2nd dungeon and the healer bailed before we pulled once.

[MeiUshu]

I always wondered why people in AV refuse to let the tank stun the dreaded swing, it makes the fight so much easier and to some point faster, since if you dont die because of that skill (many have latency it removes the risk of being hit by that swing because of that latency) is sensibly faster. I mean is so much easier...but most just prefer to hit hit hit dont care of the group all it matters is themselves and many more times then not they die becauuse they couldnt move out in time or didnt see it...or in my case even if I stated do not use your stuns pls, and they used it..it went resisted...I wish people would learn how to play as a group and understand that at times lowering a bit your dps for the good of all isnt a bad thing and doesnt make you a bad dps.....BUT maybe is my vision of it. MOre so if you are a ilvl 60 (i dont think that not using your stun every 2 secs so to speak will make an overall great difference in the fight)

[raela]

I always wondered why people in AV refuse to let the tank stun the dreaded swing, it makes the fight so much easier and to some point faster, since if you dont die because of that skill (many have latency it removes the risk of being hit by that swing because of that latency) is sensibly faster.

1) they might not realize the boss can be stunned
2) they might not know about stun resistance
3) muscle memory issues

I mainly do trials/raids with my DRG, where 99% of enemies are stun resistant anyway. Whenever I'm in a dungeon, I tend to forget about the stun and use abilities on CD. Same goes for any class with a stun that does damage - so few enemies need to be stunned that I often forget about it.

[Souljacker]

Done that dungeon plenty of times where the tank immediately engages the tank and I'm sitting at 0 MP, and if your healer was a non-Sch they aren't exactly getting it back. The only reason I've been fine with 0 MP was my fairy stalling until Aetherflow, but for Whm or Ast...well...glancing at the healer's MP and popping a ready check before the Bee boss specifically isn't a horrible idea.

WHM actually has two abilities now to regain mp. One is a straight 10% and the other is a refresh effect. Plus WHM has some pretty cool oh sh*t abilities. It's hardly a crippled job while SCH is some healing god.

[MeiUshu]

1) they might not realize the boss can be stunned
2) they might not know about stun resistance
3) muscle memory issues

I mainly do trials/raids with my DRG, where 99% of enemies are stun resistant anyway. Whenever I'm in a dungeon, I tend to forget about the stun and use abilities on CD. Same goes for any class with a stun that does damage - so few enemies need to be stunned that I often forget about it.

they do that is the point...and said as much ..their reaction NO exception for any of them was,

*ohh it lowers my attack*.

One of them even said that I shouldnt ignore mechanic such as this referring to the *lower attack* if I wanted to be a good tank. Thought my job was go make sure that nobody died over some stupid boss mechanic..but...you know ...so many things still to learn


true story

[FinaSel]

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That healer sounds awful!
Sorry you had to deal with that.

I have never once seen someone use a Ready Check in a dungeon OR a Trial. I don't really raid though, so I don't know if it's common there.
The only time I've seen a ready check is when I'm in a preformed party, before the leader queues for DF.

And the dungeon you are talking about, as a healer myself, I find very easy to heal. The only part that is difficult is the bee boss and only if the other members are not following mechanics. It is easy to avoid the big flood of needles. If everyone avoids them, it's an easy fight.

[Bebekurenai]

This is not a story, but more a disappointment with scholars. These last months have been hell whenever my boyfriend or myself encountered a sch in our duties, anything except savage and extremes, you know, the normal DF.
I don't know if it's just summoners wanting a quick queue and being clueless/lazy or the general sch "god" attitude.

I've only had one (yes one) good scholar in all our daily DF runs and it was in M1. This lil lalafell was everything you would love from a sch. Shields were up always, dots, tanks were healthy, he never had mp problems, used all he had to make the run just awesome and super fun. He even turned into a gorilla and left his fairy positioned with us. A dream. And he was the only one...

Besides the typical schs we used to encounter before who don't seem to understand succor is a prevention aoe rather than a yellow medica, and that E4E doesn't work if no enemy is attacking you, my boyfriend and I have met a new breed. The breed of "I don't give a damn about your hp or if my fairy can reach you, I'm a dps healer, therefore I dps."

And usually they go as follows:

4 man duties - Protect so we know they aren't afk. Cleric perma-on and broil all the things. No Adlo/succor before engaging anything but Adlo on cleric when tank is at 25% cause it looks pretty, keep on broiling. Missed the moment during his levelling career when Shadowflare was learned, or any onther means of dotting. Use Atherflow stacks merely for replenishing mp. Someone dies, no re-protect (why? I already did that at the beginning of the dungeon) or heals. Makes sure to stay at max casting range keeping his fairy with him so she can't heal, but she looks cute casting Whispering Down on her and her master.

8 man duties - All of the above except no protect, no ressurrect, sometimes dots and Shadowflare (yay), call everyone scrubs when they die. These guys are actually the main reason I refuse to join VA as astro anymore.

Is this a new trend among scholars in Primal datacenter?

[Seraphix2407]

I'm a sch and I honestly rarely have to heal in any expert dungeons or lvl 60 dungeons at all, ofc it depends on tank but even if tank is just ''decent'' It's stil easy to pull off. Even times where I do more damage than actaull dps and nobody dies in my group. There are much as bad or good players anywhere in any dungeons, that's how it is in duty finder. The other day I did the lvl 60 roulette (forgot the name of the dungeon name the one with the big plant lady at the end) And I was so shocked how great the tank and dps was, even more funny if wasn't even a premade group I joined and tank was in dps stance most of the time and no deaths happened, it was that amazing really.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Oh come on now, the underhanded insult isn't necessary. I can heal every dungeon just fine, but whereas nearly every other dungeon I can sit in Clerics stance 99% of the time in the Arboretum I actually can't just rely entirely on my fairy hence why I qualify it as the second hardest. Not that it's some insurmountable challenge, but compared to the rest of the dungeons in the game the Arboretum is a step up. It's still no where near the vault though.

It wasn't really an underhanded insult to you, just generally speaking, but to be fair... You did try to shift the blame to me in your post and acknowledged that dungeon as "probably" being the second hardest dungeon to heal in, so I was just using your own words there. However, I guess this will be an underhanded insult since I'm over here laughing at you suggesting that The Vault is actually difficult to heal in, lol.

Your attitude isnt the best either though. Not having a crown over you head qualifies you as NON mentor, so there is no assumption there, since I dont think someone is dumb enough not to see that and if you had removed it (maybe there is a way) that means simply you didnt want to be there showing you were one, therefore you were not one. This among other things you said.

Ready check is a curtesy, maybe, just maybe, your healer had a reason NOT to be ready and having some curtesy expectations thought that before pulling you would ask.

My attitude was irrelevant. If you're going to dish it out, you better be willing to take it in return. You can't simply expect to sling mud at someone and not have them sling it back at you. That's absurd.

This healer was acting condescending from the very beginning and considering how much time I've put into the game, I just didn't really appreciate it. Yes, they can't see how much time I've put into the game, but don't just go assuming someone is bad when they haven't given you a reason to think that way.

Also, I am a mentor, but I never have the crown icon near my name because I just simply don't like it. It brings too much attention to myself and I'd rather do the good deeds without trying to seem like an attentionwhore. However, just because they don't have a crown near their name doesn't mean you should assume they aren't a mentor, which is what they did.

As for the ready check issue... I've been playing since CBT for ARR on PS3 and I've only run into maybe a handful of healers that entire time that actually requested a ready check in a normal dungeon. Something tells me this had more to do with them than me not having proper courtesy. As I said before, I'm keeping an eye on the healer's MP even as a tank, so I know what they're capable of in and out of boss fights. She had over 50% of her MP and didn't say "brb" or anything of the sort which is why I pulled just as I always do.

Considering how little MP a healer actually uses during that bee boss fight, hell, I could have pulled with her at 30% MP and she still would have been fine. In any case, if I lacked any kind of common decency, I'd be willing to take responsibility for this one being my fault, but as it stands... I've been on both sides of this situation, as a healer, and a tank, so I'm well aware of the different perspectives for these circumstances.

I have a simple rule of thumb. If I tell them I'm doing a big pull and they can't heal me through it, then we wipe, that's it. I don't do any more big pulls throughout the dungeon. I take it nice and slow by pulling one group at a time, maybe two, depending on the size and threat of the second one.

I'm not the kind of tank that keeps putting our healer in one dangerous situation after another, expecting them to just heal through it anyway, even though they've shown they can't. In any case, I just thought the entire thing was silly, honestly. If anything though, I'm even more surprised by the amount of support this ridiculous healer is getting...

[Selli]

Just did my Mentor roulette, got Brayflox normal. We had a GLA (hadn't unlocked PLD), myself (WHM), a MNK, and MCH. The GLA lost hate on the first two pulls (he didn't leave me much breathing room to type) and I told him Flash would help him keep aggro. No response. The tank isn't rolling on loot, pulling fast, and making my life pretty miserable. The GLA is also running around in circles when he aggros something (even bosses) making the poor MNK's life pretty miserable so the MCH asks them to stop. No response.

The GLA doesn't pick up adds in the first or second boss, thankfully the MCH and MNK are actively trying to keep things off me so I can keep everyone alive. We do wipe in the room right after the second boss because the GLA pulled about 6 mobs and I couldn't keep everyone healed with the mobs cancelling my heals. :c The MCH reminds the tank that they should be flashing pretty consistently to keep aggro. The MNK adds that they should do their job quest and unlock PLD since they had hit level 37 in that room. No response. I desperately want to add my own input, but the tank isn't giving me much breathing room to do anything other than heal the party. >.<

We make it to the final boss and I'm pretty worried about running out of MP or having the tank get 2-shot on me. I told him before he pulled that the boss heals their HP in the poison and needs to be moved out of it. No response. Thankfully the first 4 poisons are on the MCH and I. We're standing as far back as we can and spread far enough that the other doesn't get hit by the poison. I do try to throw out a single DoT and the tank nearly dies so I don't try that again. The tank gets hit with a poison and doesn't move the boss, they're still running in circles so the poor MNK and the tank are continuously walking into the poison. I ask the tank to move the boss. No response.

The boss goes down and I check the tanks gear, full level 30 crafted items, full str accessories, and a novice ring. I thank the DPS for their commendable effort and commend the MCH for actively blanking, binding, and stunning the mobs on me. I inform the tank that they should be wearing VIT accessories and that they should watch a video if they're not going to listen to advice given to them. And what does he have to say to all that? Absolutely nothing.

Not sure if I got a bot or just a really lazy player. :\ They didn't even have a leaf.