Feedback: "Invincibility"

[Renault]

Hey guys, just a quick tidbit of feedback here concerning the buff "Invincibility" that is given to a spawning player.

I believe that this buff should fall off as soon as you leave the spawn area.

It seems cheesy to me that it is possible to pop sprint and run all the way back out to mid while still being invincible. I've had a handful of situations where the enemy team is able to have free reign for a few seconds while mine is unable to counter play, and vice versa.

Please let me know what you guys think of this buff, and how it should be changed, if at all.

[Ragology]

Isn't the sue of any action supposed to end invincibility?

[Renault]

Isn't the sue of any action supposed to end invincibility?

If it does, it is not working as intended.

[Elfidan]

It needs strict dismissal from stat bar upon jumping down. If the enemy is in your base I consider the spawn as the regroup point. So there's no real point in having it endure outside that area. A good call out Renault.

[RiceisNice]

At the least, it sohuld function like how raise invincbility works; it's not defined by a buff but it lasts for a brief period of time until you perform an action.

That said though, it doesn't feel too big of a game influence either (at least not enough to become something that disrupts the pacing of a game); we're looking at 2-3 seconds of uptime on someone that's already isolated from their party. Anymore and you're already at the point of coming into their side of the map (which should have risks associated with overextending). They already made you auto-res upon death too, so it's not necessarily something they can coordinate either.

[Renault]

Snip

I can agree with your first point. I think invincibility should be removed when you perform an action, which I can confirm after testing that this is not it's current nature.

The second however, I don't. A healer can die, res, then sprint out and reach the middle of the map with 3 seconds of invincibility still left on their timer. This allows them to heal/cc/etc. without any chance at counter play. You may say "it's not too big of an influence" but not being able to control an enemy healer for anywhere between 1-10 seconds is huge.

That is why I am fine with it being 10 seconds in the spawn area, to prevent spawn camping, but it should absolutely be removed as soon as you hit the ground.

[RiceisNice]

I can agree with your first point. I think invincibility should be removed when you perform an action, which I can confirm after testing that this is not it's current nature.

The second however, I don't. A healer can die, res, then sprint out and reach the middle of the map with 3 seconds of invincibility still left on their timer. This allows them to heal/cc/etc. without any chance at counter play. You may say "it's not too big of an influence" but not being able to control an enemy healer for anywhere between 1-10 seconds is huge.

That's sort of the thing, you're looking at one GCD or 2 oGCDs in that period of time if they're running back into the fight in middle. If it's longer than 3~ seconds, you're more closer to their side and that that point, you're taking the risks associated with over extending into their territory.

Not to say that I haven't had moments where they would pull off a last minute oGCD heal on the tank as they were running back in, but you can't really counterplay against oGCDs in the first place unless they were in the range of your CCs (and for the most part, they aren't unless.) I agree that 10 seconds of a healer being invulnerable is huge, but 1~3 seconds isn't as much especially if it's related to oGCDs and close proximity to their side, if only because you can't attribute most of that happening because they were invulnerable.

Thinking back on it though, making the invulnerability be removed on action really doesn't make it much of a spawn-camp deterrence. Top off with the layout (specifically the stairs), staying on the spawn point isn't necessarily the best option for even the respawning team due to LoS.

[PotatoGirl]

I think the most I've ever had sprinting straight back to the middle was ~1 second of invincibility, and that itself is very iffy. Unless they are in your side of the map I really don't see this being as huge of a game changer as its being made out to be.

And most healers sprinting back are going to be using oGCDs or anything instant anyways to immediately top or try to top someone off. So unless the enemy is already on your bridge/side this isn't changing much. But I could have sworn it was supposed to cancel on action anyways. *shrug*

[Renault]

Snip

1 or 2 GCDs is nothing to be laughed at, it can more than easily save someones life or CC a key target to secure a clutch kill.

Your second point I agree with, it would really defeat the purpose of it in the first place. Honestly, I think making it go away when you leave the spawning area would be best.

[RiceisNice]

And most healers sprinting back are going to be using oGCDs or anything instant anyways to immediately top or try to top someone off. So unless the enemy is already on your bridge/side this isn't changing much. But I could have sworn it was supposed to cancel on action anyways. *shrug*

Only the invincibility you'd gain from accepting a raise/ressureciton is removed upon any action. Infact that particular invincibility has no buff associated with it. It's an entirely seperate mechanic from a direct invulnerbility buff, and you'd have this in PvE (although it doesn't prevent deaths from boundary fires/allagan fields)