Tank behavior in duties, brings lots of ???

[pikster]

Honest question to both of you: did you thoroughly read the OP's post? He described a tank that was purposely NOT using flash just to let people die so he could laugh and then spammed flash over their dead bodies. He did not describe a tank who didn't know what they were doing.

Yep! And even based on that, it doenst come under any factors in the Vote Kick Menu, this is not harrassment, this is trolling, sure, you could define this as harrassment of your time, but when we allow that we allow anyone who is new to a duty to be kicked from just about anything.

The literal definition of harassment is;

Aggressive pressure or intimidation:
I.e "they face daily harassment by the police"

Letting a party die and then using flash while laughing isn't aggressive, its not pressuring or intimidating. Its trolling yes but that player would have grounds to report any player kicking them for abuse.

Dont get me wrong here by the way, I am in no way condoning trolling, I absolutely despise them and I'm usually the first one to pipe up in a duty asking them to stop! BUT the current rule set does not allow for troll prevention, is that something that needs to change? Yes, absolutely. Does the current rule set give too much power to trolls? Yes!

[LadyVal]

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Ah see that is the dictionary definition of harassment but in SE's ToS (which we all agree to to play the game so there's no getting around it) they state it as:

Disruptive behavior that negatively affects the experience of others or the service itself is strictly forbidden within FINAL FANTASY XIV.

Harassment
Our Definition of Harassment
The use of inappropriate and offensive language in general, or against another player is considered harassment in FINAL FANTASY XIV and is strictly prohibited. Using offensive language for character and retainer name, or spreading the inappropriate words in the character’s first and last names is also considered harassment. All claims of harassment are evaluated on a case by case basis and the action taken can be varied based upon the situation at that time. If harassment is found, the account penalty will be issued to all players who involve in the harassment.

•The use of language that is generally considered unacceptable in a public venue
•Any language that is purposely meant to harm or harass a third party
•Any language that promotes the discrimination of any race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or gender

There may be inappropriate conduct that does not fit into any of the above categories that may be considered harassment and as such would constitute an actionable offense.

In accordance with our privacy and confidentiality policies, the GM will not inform the victim of any disciplinary action that was issued.

Inappropriate Behavior
Our Definition of Inappropriate Behavior
Disturbances that do not fall under the harassment category but are intended to prevent or hinder game play for others are considered inappropriate. Examples of inappropriate behavior are spam, gridlocking, and scam. FINAL FANTASY XIV respect individual player’s unique play style. However, GM may take action to players whose play style prevents other player’s game play.

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

So by the ToS standards, trolling is violating the ToS by interrupting someone else's game activity and enjoyment, and thus, is punishable by a GM, which common sense tells you, makes a valid vote kick option. Because nobody is obligated to put up with blatant harassment like name calling or passive harassment such as trolling and they have every right to remove someone from their instance for actively ruining their game experience.

[Noxifer]

So by the ToS standards, trolling is violating the ToS by interrupting someone else's game activity and enjoyment, and thus, is punishable by a GM, which common sense tells you, makes a valid vote kick option. Because nobody is obligated to put up with blatant harassment like name calling or passive harassment such as trolling and they have every right to remove someone from their instance for actively ruining their game experience.

And while it's not included under "Harassment" but rather "Inappropriate Behavior", there is no votekick option of "Inappropriate Behavior", so it tends to get lumped together with harassment issues. In my eyes, trolling is still a form of bullying (i.e. harassment), except it's the kind where the bully then goes "ohnoes, is that what I was doing? I only meant it as a joke, I had no idea you got upset, I'm so sorrrrryyy...." and then continues to do the same after a short break. ¬_¬

Letting a party die and then using flash while laughing isn't aggressive, its not pressuring or intimidating. Its trolling yes but that player would have grounds to report any player kicking them for abuse.

Yeah, because laughing at and mocking people is certainly not considered harassment/bullying.