Biggest disappointment as a Scholar.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

No, that's inefficient. No raid group would ever let a scholar main heal, because they lack the healing punch that White Mage and Ast can. Scholars only heal to shield for TB's and raid wide AoE, and only if it's necessary. If it isn't, it's just pointless mitigation that can be safely ignored.

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Oh. I was just venting because I hate the fact that Scholar is treated as basically a budget summoner, but there's no other job that has a shielding mechanic. I enjoy shields and mitigation type game play, but I don't like HoTs, so there's still no job I can actually play and enjoy that kind of gameplay. Except tanks.

[Powe]

No, that's inefficient. No raid group would ever let a scholar main heal, because they lack the healing punch that White Mage and Ast can. Scholars only heal to shield for TB's and raid wide AoE, and only if it's necessary. If it isn't, it's just pointless mitigation that can be safely ignored.

um you're forgetting about Eos' whispering dawn, does about 1200 hp with me also a sch can solo heal, seen it in action during T5 sync it was amazing

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Which sacrifices Selene's Fey Wind, in which case you'd have better heals overall if you take a WHM or an AST.

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US. When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

As mentioned before, I hate the white mage play style. I prefer shields to HoTs, so White Mage doesn't work with how I like to play. Not Ast is an option that I considered, but again, Noct Ast is considered sub par in all situations, so once again I'm unable to actually play a job that plays how I enjoy due to the lack of a healer actually dedicated to shielding. As for why I have SCH at 60, I personally experiment with every job so I can learn the ins and outs and how best to complement them with my main jobs.

[Powe]

Which sacrifices Selene's Fey Wind, in which case you'd have better heals overall if you take a WHM or an AST.

But is Fey wind really worth it? anyway a great sch can main heal raids just everyone have to be able to dodge most of the AOEs its an amazing job IMO

[Normalizer]

I think the reason for that is, all fights in game after they are released for awhile can be completely solo healed (or with just a little help now and then). Hence the SCH becomes a "safeguard" healer in such party and only required to heal very little (since they are more suitable to DPS for a long time). And any "safeguard" SCH, who want to optimize what they are doing, will probably aim to maximize their DPS or handle every mechanics they can. Look at any new released content when players are not over geared, the SCH will heal more and dps way less. I see many SCH in practice Seph Ex spamming succor like crazy and release whispering dawn even while the WHM/AST has their HoTs up and running.

That doesn't mean SCH don't have the healing power of WHM or AST. Just google "SCH solo heal xyzw" and normally it will be some amazing videos to watch

IMO the only way we can get out of this is if SE can design such fight with mechanics that can force both healers to heal even when over-geared (not solo-able). I can't think of how they can do it yet though, so SCH will probably keep being a dps with some healing skills for awhile

[Gemina]

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US. When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

[Zari]

As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.
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Most SCHs Ive seen, including myself, dont have many problems with it. OP is making it out to be a bigger issue than it is.

Also it isnt that SCH doesn't have the healing power of WHM or AST at all, it is that they have the better ability to DPS for a long period of time. If doing so wouldnt burn WHM and AST mp down fast than SCH wouldnt almost always be the support healer

[Normalizer]

why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I quite enjoy playing SCH too but sometimes, you know, i really wish i can "test" my healing ability more as SCH. Like: "Hey whm buddy, let me main heal this primal ex on my sch, and you go dps". But too bad that will hardly never happen :P I do have some shining moments on SCH now and then though. That moment you can savage the party after the main heal died/DC'ed is one of those (oh, and i did have some whm co-healer that insist on DPS on DF, but well, those are less thrilling).


Edit: See Zari's post just after posted. Yepp, we are of the same idea :P

[HPDelron]

I fail to understand why OP doesn't just play whm. I came nearly the same time as the 3.2 patch, so I don't know anything about early Scholars, or end game SCH. However, I've been reading about this game since it's PC release in the US.When I read up on SCH utility, I knew exactly what I was signing up for, which is why I also chose to level whm. As far as I know, SCH's abilities have remained intact for the most part since initial release, so again I question why the SCH's are so angry about the role that is totally paved for them since day one.

I understand why OP is frustrated. I know all to well how it feels to be disappointed by faulty expectations. But you have to take some accountability. If someone takes a job all the way to 60, it's normally pretty safe to assume the person enjoys playing its role.

Not everyone does exhaustive research before starting a game, or even picking up a new class or character in a game they play. The idea that you're DPS first, healing & support second is certainly not paved from Day 1 by anything in game.

Player: Boy I would like to heal.
Game: Here are the 3 healers. They sure do heal, throw in some damage if you can spare the time.
Player: Oh boy, I sure like that one with a pet.
Game: Here are some dungeons, level up them as the only healer. You need to heal.
Game: Here are some trials, you'll win if everyone mostly doesn't plain commit suicide so feel free to heal if that's your thing.
Player: Awesome. I sure did get a lot of levels by healing. I guess I should get some more gear.
Game: Here are some dungeons, you can probably get away with the fairy doing most of the work but you sure can still heal to your hearts content if you want to.
Player: Uh. OK That's pretty cool I guess. Might as well do some DPS, I'm sure the harder stuff will tax my healing talents.
Game: Welcome to end game!
Player: Oh boy! Time to test my healing prowess.
Game: DPS your balls off or the group wipes to enrage.
Player: But I.
Game: I said DPS!!!
Player: I get why this is a cool class, but I kind of feel like the game lied to me back there
Forums: Scholar is fine, why are you saying it's terrible.
Forums: Git Gud! You're just lazy! A real party member contributes everything they can
Player: I get that but, it's not really what Imagined when I signed up and...
Forums: Then you should love DPSing it's a sign of skill!
Player: I understand that it invovles skill but what I wanted to do was heal.
Forums: Then why didn't you just play White Mage pfft
Player: Nothing back at the start would have told me that was what I was getting into
Forums: Git Gud! You're just lazy! A real party member contributes everything they can!

Now this relies on a certain narrative about Scholar's endgame role being true. It's a narrative I can't vouch for personally because that narrative was repeated frequently and firmly enough to make me jump ship from the class before trying to find out myself. Certainly some posters like FoxyAreku have denied it's true, but other posts in this thread seem to reinforce it. It may mean that these lines are blurry and subjective. However sitting where I am external to the process I and looking at the site "FF Logs" which records end game runs, I don't see even 1 Scholar in any of the top 10 healing for any current fight. At the same time just about every DPS class makes at least some showing (however slim), on the DPS charts with only bards being absent. This implies to me that the Scholar's relationship to the other healers is fundamentally different than the relationship the DPS classes have among one other. The DPS classes are roughly all playing on the same track, AST & WHM are playing on the same track but SCH is doing something different.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I main WHM and am working on levelling SCH again. But generally for content I do, I mainly heal and add dps as I can as a scholar which is the same thing I do as a WHM.

I haven't had anyone say anything to me yet. But I do a lot of roulettes where a lot of people aren't that great and will get hit by a lot of choreographed attacks and require more healing than seems to be needed by a lot of people in this thread.

Since I avoid Savage and Ex battles (well, I will try to clear them once but don't farm them) I am able to enjoy myself and play my healers as I please and still get commendations all the time.