Biggest disappointment as a Scholar.

[HPDelron]

There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is.

I've already addressed this point my post that you're quoting. I'll re-quote myself and bold for empahsis in case it went overlooked:

Sure depending on the exact class in the exact game you’re playing you might expect to DPS, Crowd Control (if that's a thing in a given game), use some kind of active buff system or do any number of things in addition to healing. However you could not at all be faulted for assuming those things would be secondary considerations to healing.

The key desire here is for healing to be the primary role, while DPS and other things are secondary considerations. The desire is not for "No DPS ever, Chain Heal all the time 4 ever" but rather for something other than: DPS 90% of the time, heal only when the other (read: "Real") healer dies or for very short sections of specific fights. I've seen multiple posts for some encounters saying that if the scholar heals at all at any point during the entire fight something has gone terribly wrong.

A healer that primarily heals but spends time debuffing, DPSing or working envriomental mechanics is fine that's a healer a diverse set of responsibilities. A Healer that spends 90%+ of their time DPSing is not a healer, healing is not their primary role. Such a class is fine class, it's an interesting and compelling role. It's a good thing for it to exist. It's probably not a good thing for it to be unambiguously grouped with more traditional healers.

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I think early on, in my experience, from BC to Cataclysm WoW healers mainly just spent time healing. In fact, due to changes of the game, in Cata there was no spare mana to DPS. And healers had around 2 offensive spells. Literally.

In vanilla, healer DPS didn't even scale with gear. You could have spent 100% of the time chain-casting damage spells and not have contributing anything meaningful to damage. Which is not to say that is a great design but rather it's to point that the narrative of "There has literally never been an MMO where healers weren't expected to do DPS in downtime, the only thing that varies is how widely accepted healers not DPSing is. " is just incorrect and takes only a narrow and very recent view of history.

[FoxyAreku]

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yes, I read that, and my point still stands.

DPSing is secondary here as well so I'm really not sure what you're getting at anymore. If you look back at my post...

Though I will say, as an endgame scholar who did all of coil and has done up to A6S, the ONLY fight I've ever had where I had to DPS 90% of it is A5S, only because there's like barely anything to even heal in that fight. I still keep my dots up in all fights, but this is the only one where I'm literally spamming broil with an occassional succor and nothing else just because there's nothing else to do. I'm not sure why they put so little healing in this fight....

Though I did edit this in about a minute after posting, so no shame if you missed it. I think you've heard some wrong information, as normally DPS and healing go hand in hand on scholar, DPS isn't more important, because if that was the case I would just play summoner and let my white mage partner do everything....like really, who's saying this 'if a scholar has to heal at all something's gone wrong"? Sounds ridiculous to me. XD

[HPDelron]

Though I did edit this in about a minute after posting, so no shame if you missed it. I think you've heard some wrong information, as normally DPS and healing go hand in hand on scholar, DPS isn't more important, because if that was the case I would just play summoner and let my white mage partner do everything....like really, who's saying this 'if a scholar has to heal at all something's gone wrong"? Sounds ridiculous to me. XD

This is a narrative I've seen put forward very consistently on these forums, reddit and other sources. That your scholar there is primarily for two things outside of DPS.

1) To put up shields to mitigate hits that would be lethal without them.
2) To apply extra healing during the sections where the primary healer can't keep up, and these sections are the exception rather than the rule.

As one long time Scholar player I know described it to me "Don't think of Cleric's stance as something you put on when you have to DPS, think of it as something you take off when you have to heal".

Perhaps these voices are incorrect and simply exceptionally loud. However they certainly are there and very good at making their case. Otherwise you wouldn't have posts like the OPs or mine apparently confused on the matter. If we've got the wrong impression it is because people are out there actively spreading misinformation. If I were to ask you honestly:

A) When you push a button to use ability, how often it is a DPS vs Healing ability? EDIT: ( Just a feel/estimate, I'm not expecting a number derived from parses here)
B) Where would you put the line between "DPS Class that also heals on the side" and "Healer that also DPSes on the side" in terms of that rate of Healing vs DPS button pushes?

[FoxyAreku]

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Yeah I've never heard of such an attitude, I can see where it comes from, but the way these people you're hearing are wording it is incredibly laughable to me.

A scholar's job is mitigation, you mitigate everything then DPS when there's nothing to mitigate. All there is to it really. If you properly mitigate, you won't have to 'heal' much because your shields will help enough that the white mage can handle it.

Actually, maybe that's where they're getting the attitude, because Scholar isn't so much a pure healer as it is pure mitigation. Either way, seems there's lots of misconceptions I've never heard of going on in this thread so I'm sorry if I jumped the gun in assuming this was another healer DPS complaint.

Still, outside of A5S, I can't think of a single extreme primal, coil, or savage fight I've ever done that didn't have me constantly stance dancing and using my heals very often, so who knows.

[Enkonda]

A scholar's job is mitigation, you mitigate everything then DPS when there's nothing to mitigate. All there is to it really. If you properly mitigate, you won't have to 'heal' much because your shields will help enough that the white mage can handle it.

This. I have absolutely no idea where people got the WHM/AST concepts intertwined with each other. WHM is reactive healing and AST (from what I've seen) is a mix of both. SCH however, is purely proactive healing.

A shield is something that allows an individual to not only get hit, but survive for the next hit. We've been using them since the dawn of mankind. The way I see it, as a WHM, even as a stance dancer, I still get a little nervous when going cleric stance 'cause you never know when the party will mess up a choreographed attack which could inevitably lead to a wipe. But as a SCH, I can proactively mitigate everyone so I can safely go into a DPS stance.

Yeah yeah, I'm one of those "please DPS if you've got nothing to do." Not because it's been reinforced by FFXIV social standards, but because it's almost comes off as common sense. A WHM doesn't have many opportunities to dps; a SCH does.
I understand what the OP is saying but the wording makes it sound like a SCH urinated in your breakfast cereal or something.

Should we be enforcing "DPS more DPS more and get off your lazy butts and oh s*it we died! Healer why didn't you heal us?" I don't know; take a poll or something. Though...I'll admit that if I cared for things such as expectations, I'd be thoroughly disappointed if I didn't know what SCH already entailed and thought SCH was on par with WHM ("oh I get this nice healing class called scholar and oh....I guess all I can do is shield...time TO DPS!!!).