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  1. #51
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    myahele's Avatar
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    What if the vision we saw in the beginning of the game truly did happen? Like what happened with the WoD in the flash back scene, we were alone? That whatever happened there our "original" bodies disintegrated ... leaving only our echo/soul which managed to posses the Adventurer in the cart?

    Krile did say that every echo user's abilities can be different, what if ours can possess people ala Sahagin priest?
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    What if the vision we saw in the beginning of the game truly did happen?
    Krile did say that every echo user's abilities can be different
    Ooh I have something crazy on that -
    While our Echo has been shown to be 'catch all' and definitely not specialized (translation, past viewing, ability to enter soulspaces rather than just break their barriers, so on), we've also, apparently, used it to see the future on one occasion. The very first scene in ARR is Lahabrea.

    But what if it's not the future we saw?

    After all, we haven't seen the future since. That's not to say it was our past, mind you, it could be just that things are cyclic or it occurred in a different reflection.
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    Last edited by CyrilLucifer; 03-28-2016 at 06:33 AM.

  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    We start with a planet and a Source.
    Been thinking about this some more, mostly wondering how the Gerun Oracles might connect to the theory. About to go full crackpot mode here.

    "In the beginning, before myth and legend, before Light and Dark, there was but the sea."

    My first instinct was to think that this meant before the existence of the planet...but that may not be the case. Based on the continued reference to the sea - "there was but the sea" and "the sea sundered in fourteen" and "To the seas She cast Her children" and "to the seas He cast His doom" are all almost certainly references to where mankind is currently found. It being the "sea" could be a reference to how aether seems to flow through the world, so it could certainly still be talking about the planet as a whole, aether/Source included.

    "In the beginning, before man and hist'ry."

    Before man...before our current mortal forms, and before the start of recorded history. The Ascians speak of a time before...what if the ancestors to all mortal races came from the time before as well...

    And what if they were sent into particular realm of existence, this particular shard out of the 14, by the being they created that unfortunately split, banished one side, and then tried to protect those that had created it because it was created to be a protecting mother of sorts...with some supporting the other side of the split and being caught up in the aftermath of the split, unable to attain what they had before but likewise unable to fully manifest in the new state of existence and ever seeking a return to what they had before?

    So our ancestors were once enlightened beings of a different existence, who through their creation led to the first true Calamity...the one that created the world as we know it today.
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  4. #54
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    To add some crackpot, from the themes I see in the game, I came to think that Light vs Dark is less about Good vs Evil, but more about selflessness vs selfishness. Dark themes constantly are about seeking power and freedom (freedom being a generally accepted good thing), while Light themes generally involve helping and protecting others, but also sacrifice for the "greater good".
    This also means a "balance between light and dark" can manifest in multiple ways: High sacrifice to gain power and order, or helping others while remaining free.

    This also can be applied to consider what Hydaelyn is about.. she is a manifestation of selflessness, and therefore is willing to sacrifice herself to protect her children, even if that would mean she loses the power to protect later (or even ceases to be), that falls in line with that Hydaelyn keeps getting weaker and weaker, and is now (and maybe for a longer time already) weak enough she has to pick specific people to protect that can in turn protect others, rather than intervening on a larger scale. Without a bit of selfishness, she won't gain any of the power she spent back unless someone directly gives it to her (like Minfillia did in 3.2, ironically by sacrifice).
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcwen View Post
    This also can be applied to consider what Hydaelyn is about.. she is a manifestation of selflessness, and therefore is willing to sacrifice herself to protect her children, even if that would mean she loses the power to protect later (or even ceases to be)
    And if she does turn out to be the cornerstone of our reality, that would be capital-B Bad. It's ultra-cheesy (this is Final Fantasy), but somehow I think this is ultimately going to be less about resigning ourselves to the cold reality that no amount of power can enable one person to save everyone, and finding some way instead to ensure that everyone has just enough power to save themselves.
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    As my last alt approaches the sick, sad ending to the Vault in the MSQ, I had a thought as certain characters ended up standing next to each other. I guess it belongs here because I'm makin' it a goofball headcanon until proven otherwise.

    First, the facts:
    Aymeric - Bastard by Thordan VII and an unknown elezen woman
    Haurchefant - Bastard by Edmont and an unknown elezen woman

    Also a fact, later in the MSQ, Edmont mentions that he sees much of Haurchefant in Aymeric, despite his actual son standing right there. What if that means they shared a mother? They don't really look alike, but no one looks like Aymeric. I doubt the realm could handle two elezen with a resting bedroom-eyes face. Rawr. Ahem. Anyway, based on the hereditary features missing from the known fathers, we could reasonably assume that this mysterious elezen woman had silvery hair and pale blue-ish eyes. Now who else does that sound like...

    Isayle's parentage is completely unknown, but when she is standing near Haurchefant for that brief bit of the quest line, I thought they looked passably related. Which started this backwards train of thought and ended with the idea that Haurchefant, Aymeric and Isayle all share a mother. Plausible or way off base?


    I wonder...
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    "Be EXCELLENT to each other!" ~ Bill S. Preston Esq.

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    Sounds plausible to me (I don't think the ages contradict it, unless Ysale and/or Haurchefant are 32 as well).

    Here's my way off base addition - the painting of the dark haired Elezen woman you see in the Void Ark quest line? That's her.
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  8. #58
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    I always thought that was Leofard's mother :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Sounds plausible to me (I don't think the ages contradict it, unless Ysale and/or Haurchefant are 32 as well).
    I thought there was some lore somewhere that pointed to Ysayle's age, but I can't find it.

    Haurchefaunt is (was) 28, according to the third Tales from the Dragonsong War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draxis_Fallspear View Post
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    That actually makes a lot of sense.
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