Nerf "Coming Into Its Own"

[fm_fenrir]

The thing is, you can't compare anima weapon to Zodiac. Zodiac was BIS and the culmination of a year worth of grinding, so of course the capstone quest to make it is going to be extremely obnoxious. For most of the jobs, the anima weapon isn't even BIS and takes as much time and money as Zodiac to make.

Even if you say "well, relic tier 1 was hard", consider that you needed the following to make a relic weapon:
One (1) crafted item with a specific materia meld (and you could do the craft/meld yourself if you had a crafter)
Two (2) intermediate items from quest-specific duties (Hydra, Chimera)
Three (3) items that came from the current relevant primal fights (Titan, Garuda, Ifrit)

The difficulty in making a relic came from failing Titan HM over and over, not from needing to plonk 4-6 million gil on HQ crafted items and grind 29,000 tomes of philosophy/mythology.

[Whiteroom]

The thing is, you can't compare anima weapon to Zodiac. Zodiac was BIS and the culmination of a year worth of grinding, so of course the capstone quest to make it is going to be extremely obnoxious. For most of the jobs, the anima weapon isn't even BIS and takes as much time and money as Zodiac to make.

Even if you say "well, relic tier 1 was hard", consider that you needed the following to make a relic weapon:
One (1) crafted item with a specific materia meld (and you could do the craft/meld yourself if you had a crafter)
Two (2) intermediate items from quest-specific duties (Hydra, Chimera)
Three (3) items that came from the current relevant primal fights (Titan, Garuda, Ifrit)

The difficulty in making a relic came from failing Titan HM over and over, not from needing to plonk 4-6 million gil on HQ crafted items and grind 29,000 tomes of philosophy/mythology.

Come now, lets try to forget about the dream that was the first relic quest. I think everyone can agree that it was by far the best step. You actually had to do relevant things to achieve the goal, doing grand things to get a grand prize.

Then came the whining about difficulty, and Yoshi's need to hand hold the player base. So instead of a difficulty you have to try and completed, it is now tedium and no more than a tool to keep old content going. There isn't even good lore behind this one.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Except that zodiac zetas came about towards the end of the 2.x series and became the best weapon by that point. Before that, you'd get laughed at for trying to get a relic weapon since it couldn't compare to raid weapons or even the tomestone weapons. The 3.X series are still going on, so the Anima relic are always going to be a step below raid weapons until we reached the end of the lifecycle of 3.X and the relic line.

[fm_fenrir]

Except that zodiac zetas came about towards the end of the 2.x series and became the best weapon by that point. Before that, you'd get laughed at for trying to get a relic weapon since it couldn't compare to raid weapons or even the tomestone weapons. The 3.X series are still going on, so the Anima relic are always going to be a step below raid weapons until we reached the end of the lifecycle of 3.X and the relic line.

I don't mind "a step below" raid weapons, because that's kind of the point of raid items being worth the hassle. My issue is that anima weapons are as difficult to get as the previous cycle's BIS weapon, despite being demonstrably worse than esoterics 210 or lore 230 weapons for most classes. I have 210 weapons for every class that might want/need an anima weapon, and I have a lore weapon on my DRG; meanwhile, my Almace is still 61/80 grind items and 0/16 HQ crafted items. What's the sense in having a quest that takes so long to complete that it's immediately outclassed by the next gated token weapon by the time you finish it?

[Whiteroom]

I don't mind "a step below" raid weapons, because that's kind of the point of raid items being worth the hassle. My issue is that anima weapons are as difficult to get as the previous cycle's BIS weapon, despite being demonstrably worse than esoterics 210 or lore 230 weapons for most classes. I have 210 weapons for every class that might want/need an anima weapon, and I have a lore weapon on my DRG; meanwhile, my Almace is still 61/80 grind items and 0/16 HQ crafted items. What's the sense in having a quest that takes so long to complete that it's immediately outclassed by the next gated token weapon by the time you finish it?

Given that a lot had it done by new years, you may have been a bit on the slower side.