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  1. #1451
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    snip.
    DoTs snapshotting was definitely a good merit for Summoners during progression and even now for less geared groups. But with groups that are already decently geared, you will pretty much only see one boost and two phases where he's large(counting the very first one), making it not as big of a deal as it was during progression, and making better burst during the part where he's small more valuable.

    You can skip the pigs yes, but the three Summoner A5S parses above 1600 all had pigs to AOE on. But once everyone is geared enough and groups start skipping that part, I can assure you BLM will come out on top.
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  2. #1452
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    Svart Vind
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    Odin
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
    Personally, the way I handle that is to wait until UI. I will also try and fish for a Firestarter. This way I can transpose > F3P and get into AF using no MP. I'll then pop Enochian during the Firestarter. Now you have enough MP to use 5 Fire IVs.

    What do you mean? Fishing-part. Can you explain your scenario for the slow-minded as myself?
    Sometimes I dont know how to solve mess ups.

    One scenario is;
    I mess up first boss in a6s before add phase and throw another fire IV instead of refreshing AF, leaving me with low mana and no AF.

    Also cant judge how many casts i need to skip because running/avoiding mechanic for X seconds.
    Got problem using Aetherial M too even with /mo macro. Especially if theres alot of mobs together with partymembers..

    Another thing, do you always cast Thunder in UI if not up? Regardless of fast/slow ticks? Sometimes i get fast mana ticks every UI, but feels like a loss not using it.

    If im similarity geared as a DRG and having BRD and MCH in the party, is it acceptable if we do around the same dps? For my part. Single target.

    Last silly question. I ended first phase in a6s second boss with around 2.1k dps with bard and 36% crit rate i think. Feels low? 1230 int
    995 crit 282 det 928 ss and ilv230 wep + two ilvl240 accessoaries (Ilvl226). Comment on that is appreciated! Feels like the great blms back then with ilvl210 gear did that easily..

    Also this is with melds.
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    Last edited by Marduk33; 04-06-2016 at 09:49 AM. Reason: Clarification etc

  3. #1453
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    HaroldSaxon's Avatar
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    Harold Saxon
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    Odin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    DoTs snapshotting was definitely a good merit for Summoners during progression and even now for less geared groups. But with groups that are already decently geared, you will pretty much only see one boost and two phases where he's large(counting the very first one), making it not as big of a deal as it was during progression, and making better burst during the part where he's small more valuable.

    You can skip the pigs yes, but the three Summoner A5S parses above 1600 all had pigs to AOE on. But once everyone is geared enough and groups start skipping that part, I can assure you BLM will come out on top.
    Tbh I figure at that point if you are killing it before pigs just running a Melee could be better, especially if you have a MCH.
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  4. #1454
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    Tbh I figure at that point if you are killing it before pigs just running a Melee could be better, especially if you have a MCH.
    If you don't wanna run a caster, I guess double MCH is more likely better than running a third melee.
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  5. #1455
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    Jegg Von'ronsenberg
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    My static has been clearing a5s consistently, when we cleared and for the next couple weeks we used our openers as normal at the very beginning of the fight. This worked well for me because all my cooldowns and enochain cycle lined up perfectly for a new burst on every shock therapy spam. However, we've recently started to hold cooldowns until after he's small, and this has given me 2 difficulties. The first one is that Enochian isn't back up when he gets small and others start to burst, so I can't do my opener as normal until a bit later. The second one is compounded by my first difficulty, which is that by the time the shock therapy phase comes out, Raging Strikes and Convert aren't up yet, so I have to either do a weak opener and get minimal burst, or start my opener and be unable to use the full duration of my buffs. Is there a good choice for an alternate opener where I use all my buffs without sharpcast or enochian up?
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  6. #1456
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    Bad Nyanners
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by daman4567 View Post
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    id just use your cooldowns at the beginning tbh. it lines up too nicely with gobledygroper + shock therapy phase if you dont skip first boost to not pass up

    on a different tangent, i really appreciate how sharpcast and eno line up with the beginning of legislation. makes the mechanic not such a pain to do
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  7. #1457
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Marduk33 View Post
    What do you mean? Fishing-part. Can you explain your scenario for the slow-minded as myself?
    Sometimes I dont know how to solve mess ups.

    One scenario is;
    I mess up first boss in a6s before add phase and throw another fire IV instead of refreshing AF, leaving me with low mana and no AF.

    Also cant judge how many casts i need to skip because running/avoiding mechanic for X seconds.
    Got problem using Aetherial M too even with /mo macro. Especially if theres alot of mobs together with partymembers..

    Another thing, do you always cast Thunder in UI if not up? Regardless of fast/slow ticks? Sometimes i get fast mana ticks every UI, but feels like a loss not using it.

    If im similarity geared as a DRG and having BRD and MCH in the party, is it acceptable if we do around the same dps? For my part. Single target.

    Last silly question. I ended first phase in a6s second boss with around 2.1k dps with bard and 36% crit rate i think. Feels low? 1230 int
    995 crit 282 det 928 ss and ilv230 wep + two ilvl240 accessoaries (Ilvl226). Comment on that is appreciated! Feels like the great blms back then with ilvl210 gear did that easily..

    Also this is with melds.
    Sorry for the late response. On vacation visiting family at the moment. Fishing is just an expression, meaning "in hopes" or "attempting" to get a proc for a specific purpose. In the case I mentioned, the purpose would be getting into AF using no MP in order to cast 5 Fire IVs.

    Unfortunately, for the scenario you mentioned, there isn't really a way to fix that mess up. Unless you have Convert off CD or an ether available, there isn't much you can do in that case except wait for enough Mana to cast Blizz 1. You have to work on preventing mistakes like that from happening. Depending on your spell speed, Blizzard IV is ≤ 3.0 seconds, and Blizzard III is ≤ 1.75 seconds. So if you have around 5 second left on Enochian, regardless of where you're at in your rotation, your next cast needs to be Blizzard III, followed by Blizzard IV. And the same goes for Fire on refreshing AF. Normally if I'm in the middle of a Fire IV cast and have to move, I'll move and then cast Fire next to refresh AF and then continue the Fire IV spam. It just depends on the situation and your current spell speed. You just need to keep a very close eye on your timers.
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  8. #1458
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Hi !

    Random question there.
    Is there an optimal spellspeed number to aim ?
    I tend to grab more and more making the single target rotation easy but messing up a lot in aoe since I cast Fire III way too fast ending up with only one tick of mana... (Most of the time)

    Is 1050 way too much ?
    Should i aim 900 ?
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  9. #1459
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Really the more spell speed the better, 900 is far too low so 1000+ is ideal.
    Spell Speed> Crit> Determination (if/once you meld gear)
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  11. #1460
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    Michael Stormcloud
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    I've been practicing rotations on the Sephi EX SSS test dummy to re-familiarize myself with the job. I've realize that if I do 4 Fire IV's in my midfight rotation (no cd's available), I end up with 265 MP, which is just enough to cast Blizzard III, but I have to wait for a mana tick in UI before I can cast a filler Thunder/Blizzard. As a result, I've only been doing 3 Fire IV's per AF in order to keep my rotation fluid, which I'm sure is murdering my DPS over the course of 3 minutes. The best is I've been able to do is get to 4% with no time left, which is like 1332 DPS (abysmal at i216, I know).

    My gear is in no way optimized, as I don't currently have an endgame raid static, but I'd like to improve my BLM for possible consideration as a main. If someone could take a look at my lodestone and let me know if my MP/rotation issue is just gear or lack of melds, I'd appreciate it.

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/5011293/
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