Speed of Relics and New iLVL Gear Patches

[Zorafin]

It takes three months to gear up one class, in a game where leveling alts is an important aspect. You could go with the faster but not as good equipment and be done in a month, but before long you won't be able to do anything meaningful with that gear.
I wish they gave us things to do instead of things to grind. That's one of the things WoW does better than this game. You only need a few sets of gear anyway, and the best gear isn't that much better than the good gear. But here, it's a constant gear grind.

[ANG3L2701]

It takes three months to gear up one class, in a game where leveling alts is an important aspect. You could go with the faster but not as good equipment and be done in a month, but before long you won't be able to do anything meaningful with that gear.
I wish they gave us things to do instead of things to grind. That's one of the things WoW does better than this game. You only need a few sets of gear anyway, and the best gear isn't that much better than the good gear. But here, it's a constant gear grind.

Agreed 100%

[Janhyua]

The relic for 3.0 completely destroy the whole ideal of having multiple job with their relic on one character, I sure as hell not going to grind all 3 for my tank

It's like locking paid content behind a very thick wall

[Eirwen]

it would be great to see ZNM-like hunts as well as an actual expansion that can be done starting at an earlier point and is not part of the main ARR/Heavensward storyline. Like how in XI Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia were loosely connected to your nation's storyline and then went their own way, yet influence the world.

Heavensward feels more like an extension than an expansion.

[Moqi]

3.0 relic is just a grind for grind's sake for those who like it. It doesn't need to get stronger or change look, those people would do it anyway, the reward is the grind itself.

Is it a waste of an iconic weapon of the franchise? Yeah, but it's not like they're putting any effort into it, so it's not exactly a waste of resources either, and it keeps those people happy.

[KeluBehemoth]

Remove weekly tome cap and increase reward/lower cost to that of current Eso and Law tomes.

Problem solved.

People argue that this will kill the game. It absolutely will not.

It will encourage raising and encourage levelling more than one class.

People are content with time gear because it\\'s almost as good as raid gear and it takes a long time to get.

Tome gear should ONLY be meant as a starter set to get you into raiding. It should NOT be a main set.

Keep the weekly lockouts on raids.

Lower the requirements for relics OR make them stay relevant longer through means of horizontal progression.

OR

keep the current system and add more ways of obtaining multiple pieces/sets of tome quality gear in a reasonable amount of time.

I haven\\'t raided in HW 1 because Alex is boring compared to Coil and primal a are more interesting now. 2. Because I\\'m gearing 3 jobs

[KeluBehemoth]

The current relic system would have been TOTALLY acceptable and a reasonable goal had it been released along side heavensward

[KeluBehemoth]

Also forgive that I'm not editing posts. Mobile version of forum has no edit option.

I really hope they change the way gear is obtained and the way gear is used.

As another poster said, there were multiple sets of gear in WoW and even the best sets weren't much better than the others. There were multiple raids that were relevant at a given time (people were still running Naxx and ICC normal when ICC heroic was released)

The problem with this game isn't even vertical progression. The problem is that the game retroactively nullifies all of its previous tiers every patch.

This is NOT how vertical progression is supposed to work.

Back in FF11 people wanted vertical progression. Because it meant having to clear one stage to get to another to get to another.

[KeluBehemoth]

Lastly, back in ARR right at its release with Darklight... I saw it as something great.

I saw "here work a few weeks to unlock this decent gear so you can raid. Then after you beat the raid, you'll have better gear for being another raid!"

I mean there's no point in raiding even because even the raid gear becomes useless after the patch.

In other games, you clear raids... TO CLEAR MORE RAIDS.

[Warlyx]

In other games, you clear raids... TO CLEAR MORE RAIDS.

hmmm? i clear raids because is FUN and challenging , hell i farmed Final coil even knowing there was "nothing left" after that ....