Pulling and tanking in 24 man raids

[Jukebox12]

well 2 friends and me were doing Labyrinth of the ancients while chatting in teamspeak. my two friends where healing and I was tanking as a Warrior. I told the alliance I would mt during the first boss I was fighting over agro. When u get spilt into 3 groups right before the second boss someone pulled already, my friends and I back out cuz not everyone was in already. the group wiped we did it again. both friends and I said in alliance chat PLEASE DON'T PULL WITHOUT EVERYONE. during the 3 boss I was still fight over agro. Now on the final boss someone pull before everyone was already my friends and I back out we told them again please don't pull until everyone is ready to go. they did this 3-4 times

[Jukebox12]

. now going on my question do people pulling quickly for a faster run or something? its quite rude doing this I know you want a faster run but it aint. Has in a 24 man run group you suppose to work together as one if you don't u fail. Why do people pull when there not tank if u wanted to pull go as a tank? Leave a comment on these things
Couldn't not pose over the max

[Janhyua]

On tonberry or at lease on JP server everyone just dash to the boss regardless of who is not here and not is like a race here, no issue so far

[Jpec07]

It's usually because of boredom, impatience, selfishness, and a false presumption that they don't have to care because of how outdated the content is. They want the content to be mindless because they see it as a grind, and so ruin the experience for everyone else.

I usually take the offtank role (or one of them) by default. It makes things less painful.

[StouterTaru]

You need to define "not everyone" being there. I find it ridiculous to have 23 people waiting 5 minutes for one person in content that can be breezed through with 12.

[Kali-ka]

Yeah tanks like to cock fight over MT in 24 mans for whatever reason... Makes them feel important or something, but like Jpec said, I just automatically go into OT mode and don't worry about it. There's usually that one person (or sometimes 2) who wants to MT all the things and I just let them....until they either die or in the case of VA, until I triple fell cleave and they don't take it back from me lol.

As far as early pulling, I really haven't encountered it that much in 24 man. I mostly see people wait until the majority of people are there and/or a ready check. But once that's done, you definitely see "The Hero" MT already impatiently nudging forward to pull the boss. There has been the rare occasion that they wait almost too long, but all I have to do is run up and act like I'm going to pull and poof! There they are!

[Ashkendor]

well 2 friends and me were doing Labyrinth of the ancients while chatting in teamspeak. my two friends where healing and I was tanking as a Warrior. I told the alliance I would mt during the first boss I was fighting over agro. When u get spilt into 3 groups right before the second boss someone pulled already, my friends and I back out cuz not everyone was in already. the group wiped we did it again. both friends and I said in alliance chat PLEASE DON'T PULL WITHOUT EVERYONE. during the 3 boss I was still fight over agro. Now on the final boss someone pull before everyone was already my friends and I back out we told them again please don't pull until everyone is ready to go. they did this 3-4 times

Were you missing an entire alliance or was it just one or two people lagging behind going to the next stage?

I really don't get why some people have to tab out or afk every time a boss dies.

[Jukebox12]

Were you missing an entire alliance or was it just one or two people lagging behind going to the next stage?

I really don't get why some people have to tab out or afk every time a boss dies.

4/8 where not there during the split and at the final boss people were not at the correct place

[Jpec07]

You need to define "not everyone" being there. I find it ridiculous to have 23 people waiting 5 minutes for one person in content that can be breezed through with 12.

See, while I can understand not waiting five minutes, 10-15 seconds is not unreasonable. As tanks, we generally control when encounters start, so we have some responsibility to make sure as many people as want to participate can (within reason).

This gets into group etiquette a little bit. If you're in an instance, there is some expectation that you've set aside ample time to be able to complete it, and that if something comes up that is going to take more than 30 seconds, you won't expect everyone to wait for you. If you AFK or tab out in an instance, and then get locked out of the fight, the blame for that is on you.

At the same time, if a tank pulls while half of the group is still en route, then that tank is very clearly a huge jerk who doesn't care if people are playing on machines that can't reload the front of the instance after a teleport as quickly as theirs can. Not wasting time is one thing, but not waiting for people who very clearly want to participate is another entirely; wasting 23 people's time is not acceptable, but neither is denying the capacity of a 5-10 people to participate.