I just don't get it.

[odintius]

Most the stuff from veteran stuff I don't even use it collecting dust though in my inn closet, so I guess its relevant in taking up memory for the game.

[Krissey]

Most the stuff from veteran stuff I don't even use it collecting dust though in my inn closet, so I guess its relevant in taking up memory for the game.

So what do you want? What do you really want? You want raids to be exclusive and to have super epic awesome graphics that only like 10% of the player base has access to and you to be one of them so you can stand around in Ironforge, I mean Idllyshire and have all the noobs gawk at you? Do you want validation of every one gazing at you in awe of your pro-l33t skills (aka RNG blessed you by dropping your stuff...it could have been anything on the loot table).

What do you want to "Show for all your time" ? Do you want raid tiers to last a year and no updates to the game so you can stand around and "enjoy" the best possible gear with nothing new to do for a year? No you don't want that you'd just quit playing if it went untouched for so long.

So what do you want?

[odintius]

So what do you want?

Nothing seem you assuming allot on your own their all I want is some depth to the game currently its not IMO currently to me it pretty mediocre game I don't even consider this a actual mmo, I've seen ftp games have more depth. I'm sure the well play those game will be a retort or to that effect will be applied, but i kinda already do though. I come back do story do the two dungeon that five year old could do and wait till nerf to the gear come because its the next patch trash gear afterward anyways. /shrug

[Krissey]

Nothing seem you assuming allot on your own their all I want is some depth to the game currently its not IMO currently to me it pretty mediocre game I don't even consider this a actual mmo, I've seen ftp games have more depth. I'm sure the well play those game will be a retort or to that effect will be applied, but i kinda already do though. I come back do story do the two dungeon that five year old could do and wait till nerf to the gear come because its the next patch trash gear afterward anyways. /shrug

Please explain what you mean by "Depth". Don't use buzzwords, they don't convey anything. They're meaningless. Where do you want depth? In raids? In dungeons? Do you want giant, super long dungeons that take hours to complete that are fully realized enemy cities? Do you want layered raids that start at a top floor and have 12 floors down? That's a "Deep" raid. Do you want "Depth" in character customization where you can have multiple specs per Job with multiple different ways to build said spec?

Do you want more content in the outside world? You're not saying anything. You're just using buzzwords to express some vague sense of dissatisfaction. What do you consider a "deep" game? You mentioned "Free to Play" games. Defense of the Ancients? League of Legends? How are they "deep"? Is DotA deeper than LoL?

How would you enrich and deepen the game? What would give you a sense of satisfaction? I'm trying to have a real discussion here to pull answers out that might help that game grow. What is a "real" MMO and how is this a fake one?

What is "depth" and what does it look like? Is it objective or subjective?

Edit: I am assuming a lot based on other veteran players of veteran games who also are "dissatisfied" with the state of the game, and it's typically for those reasons - back in the "good old days" when they were the only ones with anything "cool" or "good". They're usually exclusionists. They want to exclude everyone else so they can feel special.

That doesn't appear to be your case though. You seem to want a more complex and deeper game. How would you increase depth and complexity?

[odintius]

That doesn't appear to be your case though. You seem to want a more complex and deeper game. How would you increase depth and complexity?

Suggest clicking my name look at some of my resent post if curious and play other mmo's everyone has opinions on it. The current gear progression has no meaning beyond savage the dungeon should have entry of the gear with that of esto/upgraded being the average entry lvl 205-210 prefer 210 give more reason to actually upgrade them currently don't have to. Also if I knew the duegeons later on were actually going to provide a challenge I might actually try to cap my tomes ect.yes I know the duty finder options to it should be set that way to begin with for newer content.

Materia system to me is a joke know if it had more depth like back in 1.0 than what we have now I be OK with it. Currently it suffers as much as gear progression great if doing savage but don't really have to bother with materia. Materia should be the entry point for some horizontal progression in this game which it clearly lacks IMO, and not over board either to much of anything can be bad like pure vertical progression and not just stat increases traits/abilities/spells materia give some flavor beside dull acc increase whoo thx materia.

[Krissey]

Suggest clicking my name look at some of my resent post if curious and play other mmo's everyone has opinions on it. The current gear progression has no meaning beyond savage the dungeon should have entry of the gear with that of esto/upgraded being the average entry lvl 205-210 prefer 210 give more reason to actually upgrade them currently don't have to. Also if I knew the duegeons later on were actually going to provide a challenge I might actually try to cap my tomes ect.yes I know the duty finder options to it should be set that way to begin with for newer content.

Materia system to me is a joke know if it had more depth like back in 1.0 than what we have now I be OK with it. Currently it suffers as much as gear progression great if doing savage but don't really have to bother with materia. Materia should be the entry point for some horizontal progression in this game which it clearly lacks IMO, and not over board either to much of anything can be bad like pure vertical progression.

I have played other MMOs. This is the best one. I've played WoW, Aion, Tera, Blade & Soul, Elder Scrolls Online, City of Heroes, Guild Wars 1, Guild Wars 2, Lord of the Rings: Online, and probably more I've forgotten about.

[odintius]

I have played other MMOs. This is the best one. I've played WoW, Aion, Tera, Blade & Soul, Elder Scrolls Online, City of Heroes, Guild Wars 1, Guild Wars 2, Lord of the Rings: Online, and probably more I've forgotten about.

Good to see can we agree there could be some room for improvements to this game as well and I acknowledged not everything I suggest is going to be liked by everyone