Lore questions about Miqo'te

[Noxifer]

Sorry, I had truncated Fernehalwes statement down to the bits that were relevant to the OP. The full statement does actually mention said Lalafell, named Ququruka.

Right... But the very quest text you quoted, and especially this part:

No doubt he has lost his mind after serving one hundred years of his life sentence.

...It kind of indicates that "serving one hundred years of your life sentence" isn't something too out of the ordinary. I mean, sure, life sentence normally means "you will be in jail until you die, no ifs buts or maybes", but if it had been that unusual, I'd have expected Yayake to be a bit more... you know, shocked. As it is, it just seems to be an indicator that "yeah, Lalafellin lives can totally be up to twice that of a Hyur -- barring stuff like wars and accidental deaths, of course".
I mean, if someone would comment about some criminal in our world, they probably wouldn't say, "Well, he's probably gone insane after having been in jail for a hundred years." In such a case, it'd be more like, "You know, most people would be dead by now, why isn't this guy dead yet!?" Especially since Yayake in the same breath completely discounts any claims of black magic that would, you know, account for him having a longer lifespan.

[Sounsyy]

Right... But the very quest text you quoted, and especially this part:

...It kind of indicates that "serving one hundred years of your life sentence" isn't something too out of the ordinary.

Umm, if you say so?

I've never seen anything quite like it.

Seems kind of contradictory to "isn't something too out of the ordinary"? And that statement clearly isn't talking about his crazy talk, because she says prisoners in general will do/say anything to keep their minds occupied.

If you want to believe that Lalafell live a little bit longer than the average Hyur, by all means, but I've got a statement from Fernehalwes and quest text that implies this singular Lalafell, who was emboldened by magic and isolated from any danger for 100 years, is an exception to normal Lalafell. The five races biologically live 100-120, but most do not make it to that age. And Ququruka seems to be the one and only person who's reached that max life capacity. He also dies, mere days after being released from prison. But all of this is irrelevant anyways, since the thread was about Miqo'te?

[ExKage]

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Word of God (Fernehalwes) just said that you were mistaken and made a poor assumption... His life span is an anomaly. You can even make the case that there was no surprise because a) Black magic is forbidden and unknown so that may just be how he expanded his life this is crazy!! and b) Dude's lived a long time...in solitary. No doubt that he lost his mind.

Well, man I almost quoted Yayake.

[Noxifer]

And that statement clearly isn't talking about his crazy talk, because she says prisoners in general will do/say anything to keep their minds occupied.

Not quite so clearly, actually.

I've never seen anything quite like it. Of course, I make it for nothing more than the maniacal ravings of a cellcrazed, sweatytoothed madman.

Since she goes on, still using "it" as the subject, I doubt she's talking about his longevity as "the maniacal ravings of a [...] madman". Sure, it might just be poor grammar use, but... "Poor grammar" is not going to be my assumption when playing an official game.

Word of God (Fernehalwes) just said that you were mistaken and made a poor assumption... His life span is an anomaly.

Quite possibly, but I'd still argue that in-game information trumps out-of-game information. Like I said, it might be just poor wording. Gods know it's tricky to proofread your own texts because your brain tells you it's obvious what it means (because you know the intention), when an outsider can tell you it can be interpreted in several ways, and only one of those is the way you intended.

You can even make the case that there was no surprise because a) Black magic is forbidden and unknown so that may just be how he expanded his life this is crazy!!

Wait... You're saying that there'd be no surprise/shock because it's not supposed to be possible.


Aaaanyway, this is a complete aside from the thread topic in general.

[Krissey]

Not quite so clearly, actually.


Since she goes on, still using "it" as the subject, I doubt she's talking about his longevity as "the maniacal ravings of a [...] madman". Sure, it might just be poor grammar use, but... "Poor grammar" is not going to be my assumption when playing an official game.



Quite possibly, but I'd still argue that in-game information trumps out-of-game information. Like I said, it might be just poor wording. Gods know it's tricky to proofread your own texts because your brain tells you it's obvious what it means (because you know the intention), when an outsider can tell you it can be interpreted in several ways, and only one of those is the way you intended.



Wait... You're saying that there'd be no surprise/shock because it's not supposed to be possible.


Aaaanyway, this is a complete aside from the thread topic in general.

Yet you insist on "being right" when proven wrong by official sources. So. Stop please.

[Noxifer]

Yet you insist on "being right" when proven wrong by official sources. So. Stop please.

I wasn't insisting on being right, just saying that the in-game information gives a completely different impression. And that to me personally, in-game information trumps information given outside of the game which makes the clash with Fernehalwes' post disconcerting to me. I'm not claiming that Fernhalwes is wrong, just that it was not the impression I got.

[Krissey]

I wasn't insisting on being right, just saying that the in-game information gives a completely different impression. And that to me personally, in-game information trumps information given outside of the game which makes the clash with Fernehalwes' post disconcerting to me. I'm not claiming that Fernhalwes is wrong, just that it was not the impression I got.

Well I'll clarify for you. The use of "it" in that sentence means "I've never seen a scenario quite like this before." Therefore the entire thing. A long lived lalafell who meditated through a jail cell thing. The "it' not uncommon" impression you get is that people in jail are often insane, therefore another insane person in prison isn't surprising.

You're twisting the narrative so hard to confirm your bias instead of reading it objectively.

Furthermore in reading the dialogue as notated here: http://xivdb.com/quest/66609/Taking+The+Black there is no such mention of "I've never seen anything like it." Granted it's not direct screen shots, but it seems to be word for word transcribing from the game.

[Noxifer]

Well I'll clarify for you. The use of "it" in that sentence means "I've never seen a scenario quite like this before."[...] there is no such mention of "I've never seen anything like it." Granted it's not direct screen shots, but it seems to be word for word transcribing from the game.

^^; You can't argue for both facts. I went by what someone quoted, which I admit was my mistake; I should have double-checked. However, the dialogue from xivdb is even less 'shocked' over the longevity. It mentions it casually, then goes on to reveal what Ququruka claims, concluding with the opinion that Ququruka's tale is a farce he made up. Even less reference to the entire "serving one hundred years of a life sentence" being something out of the ordinary. With nothing else to go by (since I don't frequent the Lore forum), I took that to imply that Lalafells living for well over a century -- I have a vague recollection of a mention of him studying for longer than aforementioned one hundred years, but since I can't find it in that quest dialogue or the one after it, it might have been non-quest NPC dialogue with Lalai -- isn't completely uncommon.

I'm not twisting the narrative, though I admit I went by the memory of how I interpreted the quest dialogue and applied it to the quoted text, without checking to make sure said quoted text was correct. I'll also admit there might be differences in the various localizations -- it wouldn't be the first time the English localization is easy to misinterpret.