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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Part of a Role Playing Game is finding your role. Many people, I think, at least may have a role, but may feel that that role may not fit them. Giving them a better opportunity to learn another role is not only good for an RPG but better. In old tabletop games when people want to change classes completely GMs often give them experience boosts to catch up based on their experiences with the class they want to learn.
    Okay so let's pretend I was one of the bards who hated the WM change and I was like "I need a new job now".
    Also let's say I got my BRD to max or whatever before I decided this, and the rest of my jobs were at 0. I go through each job and I'm like "nope not this one". When I finally reach a job I start liking, would I think "wow I wish I could level quicker because I've done this five goddamn times already"?
    N...o.....
    I'd be thinking "man I really need to properly learn this job since I really like it, better hop into the Vault or somewhere equally hard to test myself with a group".

    Stop trying to jump past the system. How about playing the game instead of complaining about everything? I hear WOW lets you buy levels, go play that if you want instant level with no effort.

    edit:
    I just realized you want to exponentially increase the bonus? Uhm
    First extra job: 100% bonus
    Second: 200
    Third: 400

    Take this to the last job, so number..what? 12 classes?
    That's a bonus of............ 204800%. Unless I'm crazy, I may be crazy, I'm a little sleep deprived. That's nuts. I may be one off, too.
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    Last edited by AskaRay; 03-29-2016 at 04:36 AM.

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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    Okay so let's pretend I was one of the bards who hated the WM change and I was like "I need a new job now".
    Also let's say I got my BRD to max or whatever before I decided this, and the rest of my jobs were at 0. I go through each job and I'm like "nope not this one". When I finally reach a job I start liking, would I think "wow I wish I could level quicker because I've done this five goddamn times already"?
    N...o.....
    I'd be thinking "man I really need to properly learn this job since I really like it, better hop into the Vault or somewhere equally hard to test myself with a group".

    Stop trying to jump past the system. How about playing the game instead of complaining about everything? I hear WOW lets you buy levels, go play that if you want instant level with no effort.
    Well, this isn't really rocket science. Run Neverreap or easier dungeons were dps is miniscule and really that not as important as it used to be and slowly train and learn your class. Its not that hard, you already put in effort and your class quests DO show you how to use your abilities a lot of the time. You learn through experience but you already DO have experience playing a class and learning rotations. I am also very sure you can read abilities and what they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    quests are not, but monster exp..dungeon exp...all exp outside of actual quests.


    lvl 1 monsters give you like what 20 exp with no bonuses, kill one, 20 x 13?! you would very very very quickly out lvl quests. (but that is what you are trying to do so the critism isn't all that big)

    but i just mean if you need extra space and make a alt you aren't lvling all it's jobs so you wouldnt actually need the boost because you are given enough to get to 60.
    Then why bring up the MSQ? If you made an alt, have a level 60, you already did it. Its also becoming skippable soon.

    These excuses are getting ridiculous. I don't mind if people argue with me and have good points. However the complaints are basicly:

    - I did it, so everyone else has to.
    Everything is made easier over time. Everything gets better and easier. I see this a lot with raids when people want to change things too. Of course its not popular. You know, I used to freak out when things or armor sets in older games got easier, I grew up.

    - Its going to make more bad 60s!
    Most people don't even learn their class properly until level 60. Also a lot of the skills change the class. So that point is mute. Your already a veteran and have a level 60 class, so if you have no idea how to play it then NOTHING would change in the first place. Your defending nothing.

    - Its some how going to make more bad players.
    If your already a bad bard, now your just a bad Black Mage. Nothing changed.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 03-29-2016 at 04:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    - I did it, so everyone else has to.
    Everything is made easier over time. Everything gets better and easier. I see this a lot with raids when people want to change things too. Of course its not popular. You know, I used to freak out when things or armor sets in older games got easier, I grew up.

    - Its going to make more bad 60s!
    Most people don't even learn their class properly until level 60. Also a lot of the skills change the class. So that point is mute. Your already a veteran and have a level 60 class, so if you have no idea how to play it then NOTHING would change in the first place. Your defending nothing.


    - Its some how going to make more bad players.
    If your already a bad bard, now your just a bad Black Mage. Nothing changed
    .

    I just wanna point something out:

    If you're leveling and not bothering to learn what the rotation is at your current level, then you deserve leveling slow. You can properly learn a job at 50, then 52/54/56/58/60 are filled in as you go.


    Like, what?

    Are you serious dude?
    EDIT:
    If you're a bad player overall, and you refuse to learn the class while leveling, then you don't deserve anything tbh. Makes it sound like you're lazy, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    I just wanna point something out:

    If you're leveling and not bothering to learn what the rotation is at your current level, then you deserve leveling slow. You can properly learn a job at 50, then 52/54/56/58/60 are filled in as you go.


    Like, what?

    Are you serious dude?
    Why? You have to relearn your class 50-60. Less you expect new players to pick up and do coil or something. That was a joke :P

    Rotations for most of the classes really are not that hard in leveling anyways. At least I hope they are not for people. Arcanist / SCH / Summoner was so easy and fun.

    Its also not like your doing stuff either. Its a bonus.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 03-29-2016 at 02:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Why? You have to relearn your class 50-60. Less you expect new players to pick up and do coil or something. That was a joke :P

    Rotations for most of the classes really are not that hard in leveling anyways. At least I hope they are not for people. Arcanist / SCH / Summoner was so easy and fun.

    Its also not like your doing stuff either. Its a bonus.

    Please evaluate what you mean by relearning.
    Let's take bard for example.

    52, you gain WM. Granted, it's not optimal until IJ/EA.

    Job stays the same.

    54.

    Job stays the same, but now you got a new oGCD. Nothing changes. You fit it into your rotation.

    56

    Job stays the same, but now you can refresh yo dots bruh.

    58
    who the hell uses this song WHAT (i'm kidding, use it to ensuna your warriors)

    60
    ermergerd what a big burst WAIT I CAN GET A BIGGER BURST WITH BARRAGE EMPY etcetc.



    I fail to see it. When I was leveling up it felt pretty much the same tbh. Just fiddled with skills whenever I got them and welp we gud bois.
    It's almost the same for any other job, granted I will make an exception for BLM and SMN.

    das really it.
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