With Cross World PF, the anti-social circle will be complete.

[Kallera]

I don't really see this being anti social at all. I mean, you're putting yourself out there for other worlds to see in the hopes of you finding a party, which is something an anti social person wouldn't do. The main point behind the raid finder is to help people find like minded players with similar goals across worlds instead of having to transfer to another world (and ditching their friends) just to be able to clear content. People shouldn't be stuck with the server choice they made.

That's kinda of oversimplifying things. People won't be getting together in the same sense, and with chat in the instance the way it is I don't see how the problems of df won't be brought over to this feature as well.

And I'm aware of what it is meant to do, but with no need to connect with people on your own server, I worry about what will happen to the more social FCs.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I see it as a good thing.

Smaller servers tend to have "elite cliques" where if you're not a known top raider, you're left behind to deal with the mediocre players, many of whom are not at the skill level to handle things such as Savage.

It's hard enough to "socialize" when you're brand new to the raid scene

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That's kinda of oversimplifying things. People won't be getting together in the same sense, and with chat in the instance the way it is I don't see how the problems of df won't be brought over to this feature as well.

And I'm aware of what it is meant to do, but with no need to connect with people on your own server, I worry about what will happen to the more social FCs.

You can't exactly force people to "socialize" with each other on the same server if they don't want to; if raid people on your server don't mesh with you or your playstyle, then your options are very limited on how you can progress in raids short of a server transfer and no amount of socializing is going to fix it. How often do we see threads here where people complain about how no one ever joins their PF for a raid (clear or learning)? Is it fair to them that their server doesn't have enough people interested in doing raids? It's also not healthy for players to be transferring to larger servers in mase just so they have a chance of getting a static/group to clear a raid before the devs nerf it. There are other servers besides the largely known ones and they shouldn't be THE go to server if you want to get into raiding seriously. Raid finder would give people the incentive to stay on their own server.


You keep going on about the lifespan of "social FCs" quickly dying, but if that is the case, then perhaps your FC wasn't serious about raiding to begin with and focus too much on just social stuff. I think the raid finder would bring FCs of several worlds together since FCs in general tend to be more organized than random people in PF.

[Rissq]

This is when WoW started going downhill.

Go read their forums, you can still find people accrediting the games fall to the lack of social encouragement. Because as it turns out, having a bigger pool of players gives people less incentive to be nice to each other. Who cares about what an jerk you were to you last group, or how you ninja looted that bow; there's a less than 10% chance that you're ever going to get grouped with any of them again, ever. Communities in MMO's are what create consequence and responsibility. If you replace everybody you're familiar with, with a bunch of anonymous stand in's for undeveloped AI; then people have no reason to be good people. So they don't.

[CosmicKirby]

This is when WoW started going downhill.

Go read their forums, you can still find people accrediting the games fall to the lack of social encouragement.

I wouldn't pay heed to anything the average WoW player has to say on the state of their game. They cry "Death of WoW" every patch with startling consistency. And an incredibly large number of Forums posters couldn't comprehend basic math and statements, saying that the Number Crunching of the game wouldn't effect their actual performance in-game.
In short, very few of them have proven to have the presence of mind to give an accurate assessment of their game.

[CosmicKirby]

That's kinda of oversimplifying things. People won't be getting together in the same sense, and with chat in the instance the way it is I don't see how the problems of df won't be brought over to this feature as well.

And I'm aware of what it is meant to do, but with no need to connect with people on your own server, I worry about what will happen to the more social FCs.

Well, the more "social" focused FCs aren't terribly likely to get the use out of a Cross-realm raid finder in the first place. Not many of them are likely to set foot into savage content, especially as a group of themselves.
Honestly it probably won't effect them much at all.

[Morningstar1337]

That's kinda of oversimplifying things. People won't be getting together in the same sense, and with chat in the instance the way it is I don't see how the problems of df won't be brought over to this feature as well.

And I'm aware of what it is meant to do, but with no need to connect with people on your own server, I worry about what will happen to the more social FCs.

Would a (limited to 1), Cross-World Linkshell help mitigate this? At the very least it would allow people from different worlds to connect with each other without Transfers or Duty Finder.

[Luxea]

I welcome the idea, but it needs to come with a cross-server blacklist so you cannot just troll people on the cross server pf 'cus you don't like them or any other reason.

Ex. If player A has player B blacklisted, whether for ninja-looting/being rude/being bad and dishonest about their lack of skill or w/e, player B cannot repeatedly rejoin player A's party on cs-pf just because they are on different servers and therefore not blacklist-able as per current blacklist system.