Scholar newb halp!

[Metalex742]

So im no healing expert and only got scholar cus arcanist is a 2 for 1 deal. So my question is whats the deal with the bonus attribute stats? Ive been buying stacks of keepers hymn to switch between intelligence and mind whenever i needed to change jobs but is that ok? Is it ok to have all 35 points in Intel and be a SCH and just use cleric stance?

[Lady_Malice]

Personally, I got tired of all the swapping stats so I just put my points into VIT. Keep in mind, though, that cleric stance swaps your int and mind. So, if you put 35 points in int then use cleric stance those 35 points will be in mind and not contributing to DPS. Otherwise, if you want to keep your points in int for smn and mind for sch, you will have to carry around keepers hymn for when you switch.

[Twailaith]

Is it ok to have all 35 points in Intel and be a SCH and just use cleric stance?

It is *possible* to heal that way, but I don't recommend it, especially not for scholars since your pet's healing is based on your stats.

...It will also almost certainly make your party salty and fling insults in your general direction.

Cleric Stance is designed to penaltize healing and buff offensive magic use, which means that a Intelligence build suffers from both lesser healing AND lesser dps.

It becomes really noticable at the post 40 dungeons where healing starts to actually matter and you can't just let your pet carry you.

A good Scholar can dps pretty well with his DoTs by switching into and out of Cleric Stance while Galvanize is up, using the pet to carry the healing while DoT-nuking a single target and spreading said DoTs using Bane.

As a pure Scholar, you're much better of with a full Mind build, as on top of having full benefits from healing, you'll actually eclipse a Summoner (sans pet) in pure dps due to how Cleric Stance's inherent 10% buff works.

So keep using those Hymns, they're worth the seals.

[DarkmoonVael]

Bonus attributes in INT on SCH and then cleric stance atually does nothing for SCH. Like literally zero. Wasted stats. Cleric stance turns your MND into INT when used, if you put points into INT then use clerics, its contributing to your MND stat when dps'ing, not INT.

Also, dont put them in VIT. I have never ever understood people who think this is a valid option on SCH.

If you run as SCH, its all into MND.

If you run as SMN, its all in INT.

There are no other options. There is no middle ground.

OP what you are doing is correct. When you switch between SMN and SCH use those keepers hymns and switch the bonus attribute points to the relevant stat.

Edit: some clarification on cleric stance. It doesnt just flat out swap MND and INT. It swaps MND and INT, lowers healing potency by 20% and increases damage potency by 10%, so if you stat into INT and use clerics, your heals are nerfed bad. Like seriously bad.

[Gemina]

This is why I'm glad I do homework, and from the sounds of things in this thread, I did things right. Of course anyone can correct me.

You reach clerics full potential by packing mnd. So the higher this number is, the higher your int stat will be when you CS, plus you get the 10% bonus to offensive spells. This includes your b&b spell, energy drain. Splitting up your attributes in any way will hurt this.

Vit is worthless for acn/sch. As acn, topaz should be taking all the damage while you solo. As sch, even if you have not unlocked your feisty chocobo, you have free heals, adlo shield, and HoT with whispering dawn to sustain you. If your HP drops below 50% you're probably biting off more than you can chew.

Acn does not have access to CS, sch does. There's a reason for that. If you want to have potent heals as sch, I don't think it's a good idea to interrupt the growth worrying about the int stat for your smn.

[DarkmoonVael]

This is why I'm glad I do homework, and from the sounds of things in this thread, I did things right. Of course anyone can correct me.

You reach clerics full potential by packing mnd. So the higher this number is, the higher your int stat will be when you CS, plus you get the 10% bonus to offensive spells. This includes your b&b spell, energy drain. Splitting up your attributes in any way will hurt this.

Vit is worthless for acn/sch. As acn, topaz should be taking all the damage while you solo. As sch, even if you have not unlocked your feisty chocobo, you have free heals, adlo shield, and HoT with whispering dawn to sustain you. If your HP drops below 50% you're probably biting off more than you can chew.

Acn does not have access to CS, sch does. There's a reason for that. If you want to have potent heals as sch, I don't think it's a good idea to interrupt the growth worrying about the int stat for your smn.

100% correct.

There are some very niche cases in end game where you need VIT on SCH, but to do that you meld VIT into accessories. I currently have VIT in my accessories to raid, and this is soley due to how messy it can get on SCH to replace gear as it drops. At ilvl 220 crafted, you can get to accuracy cap for Midas Savage. Keeping this accuracy cap can get a little messy and awkward as gear drops, as you may have to replace a piece with 5 melded slots of accuracy with a piece that can only take 2 materia. To circumvent this, you tend to hang on to the lower ilvl pieces that can take more accuracy, and compansate for lower VIT/DEF by melding VIT where possible into accessories.

The joys of the messy SCH raider who wants to get to accuracy cap.

[DarthVella]

Bonus attributes are quite honestly negligible. I split mine 22 INT/13 MND, just because that's when I decided to switch my main job, and I haven't bothered to switch them out since. I'm still a competent healer.

You shouldn't need a stack of Hymns, though feel free to keep them if you really really want to min/max.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

There's literally no good reason to spec int as sch, you dps in cleric stance.

[Zari]

I'd say it depends. If you are planning on using both often then it is tough and using hymns would be best if you want to min/max. If you are going to use one way more than the other I would say just focus on that one for the modt part

[Judge_Xero]

Outside of endgame it wont make any difference what you spec. So spec for whatever you play more SMN or SCH. Unless you dont mind using the Hymns.