Can we protect someone please? (spoilers)

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Just out of curiousity, have you played Heavy Rain?

[Niwashi]

I'm not even particular about whether the people we save are necessarily the important ones we're working with. Saving strangers (like protecting that kid from the crabs the OP mentioned) would work as well if it happened enough. They could get a lot of drama out of the "we can save anyone except those we care most for" theme. But that only works if we are indeed saving other people, and doing it a lot, which we aren't so far as I've gotten. In the 2.0 MSQ, the only time I can think of that we saved anyone is way back at level 17 when we fought off some thugs who were trying to claim a woman stole when she hadn't. It was cool and all that we actually got to help someone for once, but fighting off a couple small-time thugs isn't exactly epic.

If we can usually save whoever we try to save (and that comes up often enough to be obvious), then suddenly a situation comes up where despite our best efforts we can't save someone and they die anyway, the contrast makes it all the more dramatic. On the other hand if we fail to save someone, then ignore the fact that someone's in need of saving, then need to be saved ourselves, then again fail to save someone else, etc. well, then we just come out looking rather pathetic, no matter how many demigods we're able to kill along the way.

[Whiteroom]

While I agree that we should take a more proactive role in some of the cutscenes, where we essentially let people die, you kind of lost me with the whole overly strong head canon love to back up your argument.

[Dualgunner]

It's the reasons listed in the op and in this thread that I maintain our characters aren't the unstoppable juggernauts some of the player base thinks we are.

I also find myself in agreement with the thread; it'd be nice to win and save someone. Personally tho I ship myself with the WoD ; D

[Chasely]

Nope, it's there even if you play a male character. Thancred comments that he thinks Aymeric is in love with you, and it's very clear Harchfaunt was as well (This was more explicit in the JP version where he was cleary adventurer-sexual)

Thancred was being snarky. he's currently having an emotional breakdown while we silently watch him spiral into the abyss.

Oh. Spoiler.

[Aryalandi]

While I agree that we should take a more proactive role in some of the cutscenes, where we essentially let people die, you kind of lost me with the whole overly strong head canon love to back up your argument.

Not entirely certain how "they nearly become very minor possible love interests" is an overly strong head canon thing but ok~

As I've said differences of opinion and not really the point.. lol people fixate on the strangest things..

At any rate I am enjoying the more on topic discussion on both sides in regards to the warrior of light being able to actually protect his/her friends from time to time, i am glad to know i am not alone in that regard.

It doesn't have to be all the time mind you, it would just be a nice change of pace for our characters and their allies to step in to protect eachother rather than the warrior of light always ultimately being unable to actively protect them, the warrior of light is always reactive, never proactive, that needs to change.

[missybee]

I don't think Haurchefant x WoL is too much of a stretch. I mean, anything NC-17 may be head canon, but he is definitely flirtatious at the very least.

Speaking of Haurchefant, I rolled a new character not too long ago, and any time I run into him in the MSQ, I'm just like "DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME." I just unlocked The Vault last night, and you can bet your bottom dollar I am going to be skipping that cutscene.

So yeah, it would be nice if we could protect people occasionally ^^; I think some death in the story makes for a more emotional experience, but I'll be really sad if we lose either Aymeric or Thancred.

[Whiteroom]

Not entirely certain how "they nearly become very minor possible love interests" is an overly strong head canon thing but ok~

As I've said differences of opinion and not really the point.. lol people fixate on the strangest things..

At any rate I am enjoying the more on topic discussion on both sides in regards to the warrior of light being able to actually protect his/her friends from time to time, i am glad to know i am not alone in that regard.

It doesn't have to be all the time mind you, it would just be a nice change of pace for our characters and their allies to step in to protect eachother rather than the warrior of light always ultimately being unable to actively protect them, the warrior of light is always reactive, never proactive, that needs to change.

Not to nitpick, but it was slightly more:

Its like friends and love interests develop a fate ...someone who will eventually suffer for caring about our characters.



...I would nearly consider most of the above to be minor love interests (Ysayle, Estinien, Aymeric, even Lucia to a very small extent over time)

...and at least one to be a canon love interest (Haurchefant....)

And you have to watch them get picked off one by one over time, losing Ysayle was heartbreaking, losing Haurchefant was soul crushing, seeing Estinien who I view as a good person who has been through too much in his life possessed was painful..

You also get a scare with Aymeric who is developing in to more of a love interest over time..

It would just be reassuring to have my character stand between someone she cares about and something that is trying to hurt them sometimes instead of it always being the other way around.

... More of that with loved ones in the story would be nice..

You have a strong head canon of your relationships in the game, and that is a good thing. I view a lot of the people quite differently, and everyone else has their own views on each npc. (for example, while old Hauchy may have been after my character, she definitely did not reciprocate the feelings) So, none of that should come into play when discussing this.

I know our characters are supposed to be blank slates, but I too feel their lack of response at critical times to be far more out of character than some sort of protective action would be. Though on a similar front, with the latest patch, we do seem to be coming out of our shell more with our getting tired of being everyones go to hero and servant.

One of the lines in the game that annoyed me the most was Alphinauds little quip about alwaying having his trusty WoL to send off to do his deeds. Some of them I want to save, and others I want to tell them to pick up the slack.

[Aryalandi]

Not to nitpick, but it was slightly more:

You have a strong head canon of your relationships in the game, and that is a good thing. I view a lot of the people quite differently, and everyone else has their own views on each npc. (for example, while old Hauchy may have been after my character, she definitely did not reciprocate the feelings) So, none of that should come into play when discussing this.

I know our characters are supposed to be blank slates, but I too feel their lack of response at critical times to be far more out of character than some sort of protective action would be. Though on a similar front, with the latest patch, we do seem to be coming out of our shell more with our getting tired of being everyones go to hero and servant.

One of the lines in the game that annoyed me the most was Alphinauds little quip about alwaying having his trusty WoL to send off to do his deeds. Some of them I want to save, and others I want to tell them to pick up the slack.

I have strong feelings about Haurchefant and Ysayle mostly x.x;;
But I do worry about Aymeric becoming increasingly close to our characters because romantic or simply friendship none of the warrior of lights relationships seem to end on a positive note

And yes, Alphinaud hit an all time high as far as his ego at that moment, I think he was just kind of caught up in how well things seemed to be going and was patting himself on the back more than a little, I am glad that he grew as a person or it would have been annoying. (Though his obvious recovery from gushing about how worried he was in stone vigil by arrogantly claiming that it would have just been tedious finding a new champion was kind of adorable.. he's so awkward XD)

[Silica-chan]

but I'll be really sad if we lose either Aymeric or Thancred.

I agree with Thancred but Aymeric can go to hell. To me he is just Alphinaud 2.0 with the "I would do stuff myself but I rather leave it to you since you are the WoL" mindeset.
Personally I see a proof of that in the battle between Ishgrad and the Eorzean aliance where he is like "We all suck hard would you win this thing for us pls?". Just look at how they got destroyed by Raubahn. We had to save his butt once again who would have guessed it.

I kinda feel like that way with every NPC that we have to deal with in MSQ. Minfilia was making me mad more times than I can even count using us as the grand solution for everything and to make it even worse she called us on our iPearl to come back to her just to tell us we have to go somewhere else. (Why not just tell us where to go without forcing us wasting for 5-10 mins just walking from one textbox to the next.