4v4 or 8v8, which do you prefer?

[Februs]

You generally don't know what the other team even has and I typically assume they have the best setup possible.

Hope for the best; prepare for the worst, right? That's a fine motto to bring into any competitive setting; unfortunately, you can't really prepare for the worst in a party of 4 where you have no control over the other 3 players in the group. An un-traited Full Swing is definitely not something to slouch at, but it still doesn't compare to a full traited Full Swing with double the effect at a higher frequency and longer duration, especially in a game mode where the pace of the battle can be established early by the first kill.

Regardless, I'm not interested in restricting queues for unranked players or anything like that. I'm just saying that I can understand why someone would get frustrated when the teammates they get shafted with at random don't have or don't use their PvP skills, because they do make a big difference in how well your team can potentially preform.

[RiceisNice]

Hope for the best; prepare for the worst, right? That's a fine motto to bring into any competitive setting; unfortunately, you can't really prepare for the worst in a party of 4 where you have no control over the other 3 players in the group. An un-traited Full Swing is definitely not something to slouch at, but it still doesn't compare to a full traited Full Swing with double the effect at a higher frequency and longer duration, especially in a game mode where the pace of the battle can be established early by the first kill.

Yeah, I'm not going to argue that it's pretty shitty if your party doesn't know from left or right, or grasp basic awareness in a pvp setting. The entire design of solo queue goes against competitive play, down to the match making.

[Cynric]

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I think there isn't enough information inside the game about the usage of PVP skills, or really anywhere to be honest. A lot of my PVE friends who wanted to get into PVP didn't even realize there were PVP actions, nor did they know how to put them on their bars.

If people were using them but using them badly, they'd still be at least using them. You can sort of work with that, but lots of players seem to flat out not use them much.

As far as I know there aren't a lot of resources for PVP itself either. A lot of it seems to be learn as you go, I wish we had something like the bot and tutorial modes League has to help newer players learn how to PVP before stepping into rated mode.

[Synestra]

A lot of my PVE friends who wanted to get into PVP didn't even realize there were PVP actions, nor did they know how to put them on their bars.

I just lost all hope i had for humanity.......

[Cynric]

I just lost all hope i had for humanity.......

In all fairness you can't set them to the bar from the PVP action menu in the PVP UI as far as I know. You have to use the PVP UI to give them traits then go to Actions & Traits > PVP Actions to actually set them. It would be less clunky if you could set them directly from the PVP UI.

[Iagainsti]

In all fairness you can't set them to the bar from the PVP action menu in the PVP UI as far as I know. You have to use the PVP UI to give them traits then go to Actions & Traits > PVP Actions to actually set them. It would be less clunky if you could set them directly from the PVP UI.

/apa action "Action Name" 1-3

[Cynric]

/apa action "Action Name" 1-3

Yes there is this for traits, however do you think PvE players who are just looking at the UI for the first time would be aware of that? Or even know the name /trait they want ? They'd have to go to the UI to know what each trait does in the first place and the name of each skill.

That command was made for people already knowledgeable and just quickly changing jobs in frontline. It won't be as helpful for a new person to PvP.

[Iagainsti]

Yes there is this for traits, however do you think PvE players who are just looking at the UI for the first time would be aware of that? Or even know the name /trait they want ? They'd have to go to the UI to know what each trait does in the first place and the name of each skill.

That command was made for people already knowledgeable and just quickly changing jobs in frontline. It won't be as helpful for a new person to PvP.

What do you propose would make this easier than it already is?