Applications Vs Registrations

[Murugan]

You forgot to mention your Ls enforces people to go to events or they'll get a personal advisory for missing an event. I don't want that. I choose to play FFXIV to be a casual game not someone who (not you) is a pencil pusher demanding me to do things that I set my time between work & gaming.

Instead of applications, you can speak to them online and get to know them. Asking questions online is no different than an applications. In my opinion, describing your self and answering questions for LS masters only makes the masters life easier to bring members in, where as the applicant does more work.

No thank you.

Most linkshells are not autocratic. What about the other members? Don't they deserve a say in whether you join or not? They are invested in the linkshell as well.

[AdvancedWind]

You forgot to mention your Ls enforces people to go to events or they'll get a personal advisory for missing an event. I don't want that. I choose to play FFXIV to be a casual game not someone who (not you) is a pencil pusher demanding me to do things that I set my time between work & gaming.

Instead of applications, you can speak to them online and get to know them. Asking questions online is no different than an applications. In my opinion, describing your self and answering questions for LS masters only makes the masters life easier to bring members in, where as the applicant does more work.

No thank you.

Then you should not join a LS that enforces people to do events, and would most likely be rejected when applying exactly because you wouldn't fit within that criteria, instead of first joining the linkshell and occupying a spot on a game that has no decent linkshell management options to kick you once the linkshell leader notice that you barely attend to events at all.

Saves your time (since you would join a linkshell that doesn't fit your own play style) AND saves the linkshell officers time for the exact same reason.

There's a good justification for applications right there ~

[Fouluryu]

Once again, that's not true at all.

Except that not all of the people involved in deciding who gets pearled or not can be online to talk to the person at the same time. We have LS officers from all over the world.

If it's too difficult for a person to type quick answers to five simple questions, then yes, we don't want them in our LS, because that type of laziness tends to permeate to everything a person does.

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. That's life of hearing opinions of others. You can't convince me to gamers to doing something they don't want to. That's no different than saying a ls leader is too lazy to talk to someone in game but instead wants to read about them before inviting them.

This is a game, not a job. It's already insulting enough making it feel like a job filling out an application. In fact, there's some registration websites they have check marks on jobs/levels, so why not have that. Again, I don't see the reason why people would wanted to be reminded of their job filling out a game application.

[Murugan]

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. That's life of hearing opinions of others. You can't convince me to gamers to doing something they don't want to. That's no different than saying a ls leader is too lazy to talk to someone in game but instead wants to read about them before inviting them.

This is a game, not a job. It's already insulting enough making it feel like a job filling out an application. In fact, there's some registration websites they have check marks on jobs/levels, so why not have that. Again, I don't see the reason why people would wanted to be reminded of their job filling out a game application.

I don't hate my job and I don't need to play a game to "escape from reality", I play to enjoy it with others so making sure I am playing with like-minded people is important to me. Maybe that is the difference?

[Eekiki]

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. That's life of hearing opinions of others. You can't convince me to gamers to doing something they don't want to.

I'm just pointing out where I think you're wrong. I could care less about convincing you.

That's no different than saying a ls leader is too lazy to talk to someone in game but instead wants to read about them before inviting them.

Not exactly. Like I said before, we have officers all over the world. If we said, "Okay, everyone find time to talk to so-and-so to see if we want to invite him," it would take weeks to come to a decision.

This is a game, not a job. It's already insulting enough making it feel like a job filling out an application. In fact, there's some registration websites they have check marks on jobs/levels, so why not have that. Again, I don't see the reason why people would wanted to be reminded of their job filling out a game application.

If the application was like that, I wouldn't apply to the LS. There are plenty of other ones that have simple applications, like mine.

Most of them, in fact.

[Fouluryu]

Then you should not join a LS that enforces people to do events, and would most likely be rejected when applying exactly because you wouldn't fit within that criteria, instead of first joining the linkshell and occupying a spot on a game that has no decent linkshell management options to kick you once the linkshell leader notice that you barely attend to events at all.

Saves your time (since you would join a linkshell that doesn't fit your own play style) AND saves the linkshell officers time for the exact same reason.

There's a good justification for applications right there ~

Technically, while you're expressing your opinion, I would fit the criteria to do most events but not daily like some hyped gamer fanatic hardcore, but I am only expressing how filling out applications to me is unnecessary. Manipulation is a dangerous thing. Having others a say whether a person can join or not can be easily determined by a trouble maker that would have friends of theirs forcing a vote against or with that person based on a personal experience when in fact that member in the ls was the one at fault proven. Of course, friends of those in that Ls can easily determine the person's fate based on saying "no we shouldn't have him he argued with my friend" where as there is "oh yeah, let's have him in he helped me several times". Which argument would win here? The first comment. Because the majority forgets the good deeds that are done, and the sin that are left unforgotten.

[Eekiki]

Technically, while you're expressing your opinion, I would fit the criteria to do most events but not daily like some hyped gamer fanatic hardcore, but I am only expressing how filling out applications to me is unnecessary. Manipulation is a dangerous thing. Having others a say whether a person can join or not can be easily determined by a trouble maker that would have friends of theirs forcing a vote against or with that person based on a personal experience when in fact that member in the ls was the one at fault proven. Of course, friends of those in that Ls can easily determine the person's fate based on saying "no we shouldn't have him he argued with my friend" where as there is "oh yeah, let's have him in he helped me several times". Which argument would win here? The first comment. Because the majority forgets the good deeds that are done, and the sin that are left unforgotten.

If there is someone in a linkshell that you've had an altercation with in the past, or who bears a grudge against you, why would you want to join that LS in the first place?

[Holy_Dragoon]

Instead of applications, you can speak to them online and get to know them. Asking questions online is no different than an applications. In my opinion, describing your self and answering questions for LS masters only makes the masters life easier to bring members in, where as the applicant does more work.

No thank you.

You're correct, talking to someone online is just as good as an application in some cases. Let me throw this out there though. Say a member hears about Seraphim via another website, not in-game, and registers via website first, how do we know they have interest in joining? They may not have a clue what our crest looks like in-game, nor might they be able to find the person that recruited them. Sac holders are not on 24/7 to answer recruit questions unfortunately.

Sometimes an application is the first contact that we have with a player. It makes sure multiple people in the LS know that a member wishes to be a part of us.

[Fouluryu]

I'm just pointing out where I think you're wrong. I could care less about convincing you.

Not exactly. Like I said before, we have officers all over the world. If we said, "Okay, everyone find time to talk to so-and-so to see if we want to invite him," it would take weeks to come to a decision.

If the application was like that, I wouldn't apply to the LS. There are plenty of other ones that have simple applications, like mine.

Most of them, in fact.

Well, that's your own reflection on how you feel. If EU & JP players can form well in a registration websites, so can we. So, this mentality on application was just made to make a Ls master at ease getting information & "getting to know them" better. Social gaming behavior shouldn't be any different be it language, religion, ethnicity, or even race, so again this is not a job, this a game.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Well, that's your own reflection on how you feel. If EU & JP players can form well in a registration websites, so can we. So, this mentality on application was just made to make a Ls master at ease getting information & "getting to know them" better. Social gaming behavior shouldn't be any different be it language, religion, ethnicity, or even race, so again this is not a job, this a game.

See: Facebook. The king of digital social networking, used to connect all types of people through the "information." You have to "apply" to be friends with anyone on it.