Brand new players should not be allowed into 4v4 Feast.

[Nidelia]

What better way to discourage players from ranking up than to turn them into babysitters? Basically, the higher the rank, the more stressful and frustrating the matches. Over time, people will desert solo queues for either Light Party 4v4s or 8v8s rather than bothering to break their necks carrying people all the time*.

Randomizing the match-ups completely would be fair to everyone. Sure you'd get good or bad teams now and then, but at least you wouldn't get forced every match with newbies when high ranked.

So true, had great time previous week and manage to rank up silver rank without too much issue and had like 70% wins. Now what? My team are most of the time just horrible and I droped to a 40ish win rate (9% win today, rage quit it now, that's enough). It's simple, I didn't have any fun in any game I played this week because even if we managed to win, the game was just bad and the foe was worse.

[Dimitrii]

This mode is gonna die so fast with all the complaining already about new people when then the matches don't even count anyway atm. The queues have already started reaching 10 minutes and that's with new people still actually queuing lol. The PVP community is pathetically small compared to PVE and people wanna segregate them even further. I hate being paired up with useless players as much as the next guy but damn man its preaseason. Wait until you see what SE does with the matchmaking once the actual season starts and let the scrubs learn now in the preaseason before the games actually matter. That 8 v 8 mode is trash I've played it a couple times and it's way too easy to carry people in there.

[Vaeria]

First off, we've all had embarrassing games and wouldn't appreciate seeing it on a forum page xD.

Secondly, this is the root of the problem, posting a screenshot of damage dealt, stating it proof is completely circumstantial and subjective. Example, that one blk also achieved 1 assist, and 2 deaths, so the player use CC constantly applying pressure enough to peel players to focus, effectively use defensive CDs to avoid more than 2 deaths( I'd love to have seen damage taken to investigate further) and at some point was able to utilize their focus to help down the focus target.

....no. HELL no. Mom could be on fire in one room and Chris Hanson shoving a home-made lolipop down your 3 year old sister's throat in the other and you STILL wouldn't have a justifiable excuse for doing 6k ina match with those numbers. Some things can be allowed as nooberty but thy line musteth be drawn somewhere.

[Soren_H]

New players should 100% be allowed into Solo queue in feast, the real issue is the BEYOND terrible matchmaking system. New players should be put into games solely with players of similar or slightly higher skill, not used as a counterweight to a much higher rated player for the sake of team balancing, current system just makes games into one sided stomps the vast majority of the time. I'd imagine the system would work much better if the population of players in the upper tiers were much higher, currently it seems like a vast majority (probably 95%) are sitting in bronze/unrated while the upper tiers make up the remainder (I have only seen 2 or 3 other people in gold for solo queue, at least on the Chaos DC anyway).
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[Soren_H]

(from previous)

Its exceedingly difficult to not lose your temper with a new player that ruins a match for you (especially in a promotion series) even though it is absolutely no fault of their own that they are matched with a high rated player in the first place. I've noticed that when player population is low (late at night, for example) team balancing becomes much worse which makes earning rating at those times a nightmare. Hopefully when the season really starts the population of active players will increase and stay at a level where the current system of matchmaking doesn't absolutely suck, but at the current population it just causes immense salt, (I admittedly get super salty, many on Chaos can confirm)

TL;DR New players should definitely play solo queue (Best way to learn the tactics of the mode). Matchmaking system is terrible right now but it may improve in time as players move higher in tier (as long as population for PVP in general doesn't plummet to the ground).

[Ryuko]

I really, really hope this is a case of the 'preseason' matchmaking system... because I have had it happen many, many times where I'll be paired up with someone entering the mode for the first time (I'll see the achievement). More often than not, it will be a healer... and so they usually need to have everything explained, and they'll get facerolled if the other team realizes they are super easy to kill. Or else, their teammates will get facerolled. It's also likely they won't really know how to utilize their PvP-specific abilities. This isn't isolated to new healers, but that's the situation that frustrates me.

I'm only Bronze right now, but it is super frustrating that being paired up with a completely new player basically means we're prooooobably going to lose, and since you lose as much ranking as you gain when you win... it can really set you back of no fault of your own. I'm hoping the matchmaking will be waaaaaay better once the actual season starts. However, it is good that they're adding a preseason so people can sort of get into the feel of it without having to get PvP gear.

I'll be clear here -- I don't want to 'segregate' people from playing. I just think the matchmaking should keep people in the same bracket together, or perhaps limit it to one bracket above/below, once the real season starts. I also hope they add a mentor system for PvP (as suggested in another thread). I'd love to help new players learn. It's just really hard to explain everything to a new player as soon as they enter a match and while the match is going on.

[Dyvid]

Well I don't even bother queue 4v4 anymore because I don't want to be paired with people who lose their mind over a lose. Not their fault though since they lose rank. Once again SE has screwed up pvp but this time with horrible match making system.

[RiceisNice]

IT shouldn't discourage new players from jumping into the game mode.

But at the same time, when you're looking at personal rankings, it should not be contingent on who you get paired up with on your team, at least if you want it to actually mean something (which until some confirmed changes, it will because only solo queues count toward season rewards).

I'm not adverse to taking fresh blood in my team, I usually call most of the shots anyway. I'm adverse to the fact that new blood is liability to something that's supposed to be competitive ranking.

[MrPresident]

Brand new players should not be allowed to do anything. They should just sit there and watch.

[Maddonious]

Who made you the Sheriff of Wolve's Den?

Please, please for the sake of the PVP community, we really need to lighten up. Last time I checked, this was a game( and Pre-Season) and honestly the facetious superiority that plagues the Qs is astounding.

Thats like saying a demo isnt the finished product...... come on. You arnt fooling anyone. Preseason or not it will still be hindered by newer players so we can be as harsh to them as we like since it wont change either way. This way we can at least scare off the ones who don't actually want to learn or take the time to rather then join for free tomes. This is all based on the current matchmaking system. If by the time the actually official seasons starts and I ONLY get paired with people my ranking then I will be completely fine (maybe) with the way the matches go.