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[Ghishlain]

Yes, it was a mix of 135/220. The guy was wearing the sephiroth weapon, probably earned with another job (weapon counts twice to calculate the ilvl). I wish there was some sort of gear-check when you sign up for a dungeon. Not just the ilvl.
Also, I noticed lately that a large proportion of players - usually Damage dealers - use accessories from other jobs so as to meet the requirements.

When you ask them why, sometimes they are polite enough to just explain that they need it to enter the dungeon. Sometimes I just get insulted and replied that "they're here precisely to gear up", and that I should shut up basically. No big deal. I keep going, I don't need to hear dramas in my roulettes. Should they die from an Aoe they didn't dodge, they'll stay on the ground until I decide I need them back on their feet. You know, the true "I carry you and leave on dead in shame" spirit. I'd rather 3-man the entire thing.

Can't they just spend 30 minutes, run Gordas 5 times and get some i190 gear ? Nope. Can't they just spend a run or two in Fractal or Neverreap ? Nope.

As much as it would be nice that the weapon count for a higher weighted % of the ilvl, the ilvl calculation unfortuantely is just an average of all the pieces (unless this has changed recently, would love to be corrected).

I can kinda understand looking to push ilvl to past a certain threshold then swapping out to more appropriate pieces of gear so the player in question isn't a complete hindrance to the run but I'm looking more at the person is 10 ilvls below the cap at most. I actually was doing Sephi EX on DRG @ i203 at one point because I didn't have the appropriate gear score on DRG but my group needed a melee DPS so I swapped in a few healing accessories to temporarily bypass the limit then swapped back to STR accessories afterwards. I would probably do something similar for L60/EX DR as long as my ilvl wasn't too low because I'm pretty confident that despite being under ilvl I can still beat most DPS in DR as long as my ilvl wasn't dramatically below the min cap (and I'm rocking a decent to good weapon).

That being said, people running -35 to -45 ilvls under min need to GTFO and yes, gear up somewhere else. It's a shame gearing is so RNG dependent since you can't guarantee specific accessories / winning Gordian pieces (let alone what the queue time might be) though at least Eso pieces are fairly cheap now since they reduced the cost of Eso pieces this patch so it's not too hard to grab a few i200 pieces in that respect.

When it happened to me for Arboretum during 3.1, the guy had like a 145 weapon, 200 Void Ark body, and 210 accessories. I didn't check the rest of his gear after that, I was too busy spamming Cure II on everyone because his ability to keep hate was non-existent.

I had a DRK in Antitower with i145 weapon and helmet (rest was a random mish mash of i180s to i200s). It wasn't terrible persay.. but he most certainly had issues holding hate because of the i145 weapon. It didn't help he decided he wanted to mass pull entire hallways despite being completely new the dungeon. You'd think if you were new and had only an i145 weapon you'd want to keep the pulls normal since enmity was going every-which-way.

[cgbspender]

I'm pretty positive that the weapon counts twice for calculating the ilvl, to make up and keep a fair "result" for everyone who can't equip shields (Paladins nowadays, but also smn / whm in 2.x) I think it's been the case since 2.x something.

[Ghishlain]

I'm pretty positive that the weapon counts twice for calculating the ilvl, to make up and keep a fair "result" for everyone who can't equip shields (Paladins nowadays, but also smn / whm in 2.x) I think it's been the case since 2.x something.

You know what, that's a good point about the shield bit. I'll have to go check some time today after work just to be sure since I want to know with absolute certainty.

[cgbspender]

There were many threads about this in the forum, unfortunately I can't remember where to look : /

Found this, dating from 2015, it's not official, but it's a starter : http://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/2518138/

[Noxifer]

I'm pretty positive that the weapon counts twice for calculating the ilvl, to make up and keep a fair "result" for everyone who can't equip shields (Paladins nowadays, but also smn / whm in 2.x) I think it's been the case since 2.x something.

Yeah, two-handed weapons count twice, since they occupy two slots -- even if it's not visible. I do wish they'd add that two-handed weapons add a "transparent" icon of the weapon in the offhand slot as well to make it more obvious ^^;

[Ghishlain]

There were many threads about this in the forum, unfortunately I can't remember where to look : /

Found this, dating from 2015, it's not official, but it's a starter : http://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/2518138/

Good thing this is fairly easy to test.

The Test

So I basically took off every single piece of gear I had except for my Seraph Cane (ilvl 210) on WHM. There are three potential calculations for ilvl:

1. If weapon counts as a single slot and there are twelve pieces of equipment (we exclude the shield / offhand slot)
   floor(210/12) = 17
   
2. If weapon counts as a single slot and there are thirteen pieces of equipment
   floor(210/13) = 16
   
3. If weapon counts for two slots (because two handed weapon) and there are thirteen pieces of equipment
   floor(420/13) = 32

End result?



You are correct with your original statement and consider my curiosity sated. Thanks for the heads up and teaching me something new~

[Rhyku]

Rolled Gubal in levelling roulette. First thing I notice, the tank HP drops horrendously fast. I check her gear, up to date on right and lvl 54/55 gear on left. That wasn't so bad, certainly i've seen worse, but the standard idiot tank applies, no GCDs used except for Fight or Flight and Bulwark, no Oaths used (ARGH!!!). We tell her to use Shield Oath. No response. No Circle of Scorn used. No flash used. Just a shield lob and the standard 123 on each mob on her. Everyone and their mother, except the tank, had aggro. Hellacious mess, and I wasn't ready to deal with this after midnight. Ate my penalty and went to bed. >\

[MayuraT]

Yes, it was a mix of 135/220. The guy was wearing the sephiroth weapon, probably earned with another job (weapon counts twice to calculate the ilvl). I wish there was some sort of gear-check when you sign up for a dungeon. Not just the ilvl.

You know, the true "I carry you and leave on dead in shame" spirit. I'd rather 3-man the entire thing.

Can't they just spend 30 minutes, run Gordas 5 times and get some i190 gear ? Nope. Can't they just spend a run or two in Fractal or Neverreap ? Nope.

Just horrible... Reminds me of when people would gimp themselves on purpose to spiritbond for materia :x

[MayuraT]

the standard idiot tank applies, no GCDs used except for Fight or Flight and Bulwark, no Oaths used (ARGH!!!). We tell her to use Shield Oath. No response. No Circle of Scorn used. No flash used. Just a shield lob and the standard 123 on each mob on her. Everyone and their mother, except the tank, had aggro. Hellacious mess, and I wasn't ready to deal with this after midnight. Ate my penalty and went to bed. >\

Honestly i feel this is more of an issue than ilv with tanks. I've had a tank in lv50 roulette once with fresh 50+AF gear (the ilv 55 version) and ilv 25-20s accessories. So i "suggested" almost every other pull during our run that he should update his gear. But he knew what he was doing, pulled big and didn't lose hate to our lv capped DPS. That i applaud, at the very least he knew how to tank. Now on to those tanks at lv 50 and 60, still a 1-mob tank, still don't have provoke?!? come on...

[Rhyku]

Honestly i feel this is more of an issue than ilv with tanks. I've had a tank in lv50 roulette once with fresh 50+AF gear (the ilv 55 version) and ilv 25-20s accessories. So i "suggested" almost every other pull during our run that he should update his gear. But he knew what he was doing, pulled big and didn't lose hate to our lv capped DPS. That i applaud, at the very least he knew how to tank. Now on to those tanks at lv 50 and 60, still a 1-mob tank, still don't have provoke?!? come on...

Oh of course, I don't deny that it's more of the player than gear, although the latter does play some part. I think I should have been clearer with that.
I was just annoyed that there seems to be more of such tanks (or maybe it's just my bad luck), who don't use their GCDs, or even know the basics of tanking, at such an advanced level. :X