The 15% of max hp spell interruption change discussion

[Ultimatecalibur]

Including Holmgang (which is part of War's stun lock utility, regardless of how you personally use it) you're looking at roughly 10 seconds of stun time if not purified. On a single target, War's actually have a slightly longer stun than Plds.

Holmgang is a harpoon + bind not a stun. Sure it can interrupt casts by forcing movement (just like all forced movement), but it is not a stun.

[Zaj_Quilos]

I don't see how people think it is ok to interrupt a caster by just hitting them, it is truly obnoxious and in my opinion takes no skill on the part of the dps doing the interrupting, most interrupts should be done by using abilities designed to interrupt.

Exactly!!

[Jubez187]

There's no incentive to go for healers anymore. All this game is going to be now is trying to outburst the cure II's on the dDPS. If you don't have the DMG, then just go home. You don't even need to play the full 8 minutes anymore.

Pre-emptive changes in lieu of new healers. This balance team is on thin ice, surely.

EDIT: For everyone saying "USE CC" okay, there's not enough CC in this game to warrant that response. Especially with the diminishing returns, overall reductions, and then immunity. Not to mention purify. If they gave us better interrupt tools, then it'd be okay. And not to mention you have to pull someone off of the target to walk over to the healer and use your CC on it. This drops your damage on your main target.

Not to mention, all spells go off anyways after 75% of the bar is full, which was even more annoying for melee's. If you were having trouble casting, get better at kiting or call your tank over for peeling.

[Vaeria]

I r actually happy for blms. Do I still think the job is less than trash? Absolutely. For the typical blm user (just like brd), adding a 15% edge will be just like saying to a serial rapist that it'll now be 15% harder to pull down those silk...nvm. Point is...just gonna make jumping ona blm that much more enjoyable. They get to struggle now. Now if they could heavy cast while moving..would have to let Obama know about it. Otherwise...naaa. (Now watch me get my butt blown off like never before..) Seriously though...blm used to be a respectable job, especially if one brought skill to the table. They shouldve never gimped flare/swiftcast to begin with so I hope blms get to take names again..makes it funner all around. As it stands...anyone who decides to ignore them deserves to get nuked to hell anyway so this may be divine justice at work.

As for brd and mch...think the distance penalty easing really will work for mch well since they can move freely anyway during burst. With brd? Kinda like the bandaid ona bulletwound thing but w/e..grats I guess?

Heals?? Good ones were already hard to kill and therefore ignorable in lieu of squishier targets. Don't think too much change there.

[Dimitrii]

Blm high dmg spells still takes too long to cast and are absurdly easy to LOS so idk that even this change will allow most of the mediocre blm out there to carry their weight in feast. One can only hope though cause I dreaded seeing a blm in party prior to this.

[Dimitrii]

There's no incentive to go for healers anymore. All this game is going to be now is trying to outburst the cure II's on the dDPS. If you don't have the DMG, then just go home. You don't even need to play the full 8 minutes anymore.

I believe this is what SE had intended all along anyway based on their posts lately. Their vision for Feast was never to see it be a "kill the healer first and pick off the rest after as they scramble to run away" even though many of us, including myself, did it anyway. There were too many mediocre healers out there to bother trying to out dps their healing output instead of just repeatedly killing said heals outright and cleaning up their teammates afterwards.

[RiceisNice]

Blm high dmg spells still takes too long to cast and are absurdly easy to LOS so idk that even this change will allow most of the mediocre blm out there to carry their weight in feast. One can only hope though cause I dreaded seeing a blm in party prior to this.

Between sleep having a faster cast time, nightwing, and swift cast, blms have more than enough tools to set up something. The primary problem was that if you had a dps (usually a BRD/MCH) focusing on them the entire time, they were effecively out of the game in exchange for your BRD/MCH's counterplay. With the change, that's shifted a bit and now MCH/BRD has lost that niche and really can't do much outside of burst.

I believe this is what SE had intended all along anyway based on their posts lately. Their vision for Feast was never to see it be a "kill the healer first and pick off the rest after as they scramble to run away" even though many of us, including myself, did it anyway. There were too many mediocre healers out there to bother trying to out dps their healing output instead of just repeatedly killing said heals outright and cleaning up their teammates afterwards.

Except you won't be killing anything if the healer is left alone to spam heals on their target. Infact, most of my games involved going after the dps first while the healer was harassed. It works wonders on WHM, not so much on astro without stun locking. And this isn't even touching on the CCs that BLMs and WHMs have access to (which are left untouched even though they reduced the duration of tri-bind). Hope you don't have a WHM+BLM on the enemy team cause if you leave one or the other alone, someone is going to fall asleep when there aren't much means for interrupt.

3.22 changes has ruined solo PvP. It seems like people only raged about SMN but MCH and DRG has similars burst in addition with a pretty good self-sustain and sustained damage.
In addition we SMN get nerfed Tri-bind. How about BLM double Sleep or Freeze ?

SMN burst is nigh instanteous and for the most part, reliable. A DRG (or any melee really) is essentially sticking their hands in a blender if they're going for the healer or ranged that's taking a passive-agressive burst. It's actually hilarious to see a monk or ninja get blown up immediately because they included B4B in their cooldowns. MCH requires proper spacing (which can already be utter hell due to LoS) and a bind, sleep or stun to execute their burst. Though I do agree that they shouldn't have left sleep alone if they were changing tri bind.

[Zoanir]

3.22 changes has ruined solo PvP. It seems like people only raged about SMN but MCH and DRG has similars burst in addition with a pretty good self-sustain and sustained damage.
In addition we SMN get nerfed Tri-bind. How about BLM double Sleep or Freeze ?

[Geologo]

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People cry BLM is horrible in PvP, but I am here to say that a BLM who played properly even as things are now was able to keep up with a melee DPS in damage, as well as get CC's off.

Source: Was on a BLM for an entire 4 minute match, BLM still did 72k dmg to Monk's 75k. His own melee DPS was even lower iirc.

The BLM compared to the previous SMN was anyway lacky, that lack coulded be make less evident if you played in a party premade with a good coordination, but really in solo que after that people keep waking up the DRK that I slept and chain marked I left the job.

Actually I'm curious to see how can a BLM hit hard with full vit, and the "DPS loss" for not wearing INT jewels.
Anyway I agree with you when you say BLMs will be a pain now, but to me, still only in party premade.

For solo que I'll just fear MCH now, high burst free moves after 1st strike and no more damage penalty if under 15 yalms.

[Enlial]

Actually I'm curious to see how can a BLM hit hard with full vit, and the "DPS loss" for not wearing INT jewels.

Between accs and attribute points, you can trade up to 190 int for up to 180 vit (vit cap on lvl 60 accs is 2 points lower than other stats - 29 vs 31). This would represent a HUGE hit to your potency. I promise its absolutely not worth losing that much dmg output simply to gain a percentage of a percentage needed to interrupt casting.

edit: As a disclaimer, I might be wrong. The amount of misinformation prevalent in the pvp community with regards to mechanics is absolutely mind boggling. I'd encourage anyone curious about this sort of thing to experiment and find out for themselves. Just because 25 people on the pvp forums chant something in unison doesnt make it true. Here's an excellent example. Skip to page 6 for the spoiler (Im pretty sure the vast majority of players still arent aware of this, which is kinda on SE at this point for not making it clear ingame)