Why do people want Blue Mage in this game?

[Yasuhiro]

It should be pretty clear from context, but what I meant to say was, "Who said anything about me WANTING this?" Still, it's a lot easier to try to make a weak attempt to undermine an argument by searching past posts for self-contradiction than it is by providing any sort of meaningful counterpoints of your own, isn't it?

You make it easy, you were clearly speaking for a majority when you said they, you would have specified it was you. Stop backpedaling. What more did you want me to say?
I've made my point and my stance on the Blue Mage and why it wont work in this game the rest is for everyone else to discuss. If you're upset then I am sorry.

[FeliAiko]

BLU can certainly work in this game.

What people need to get over is that a single-player game is a lot different to a MMO, therefore expecting the conversion of Jobs in single player FFs to seamlessly fit into a MMO in a 1:1 manner is silly thinking. The Blue Mage gimmick is that its skillset is comprised of signature monster abilities. How they acquire said skills is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things to how much of a 'true' BLU it is or isn't, since the objective should be making a viable Job that fits within the MMO paradigm, not an out of place one just for the sake of appeasing 'traditional', nostalgia types.

[Niwashi]

The way dungeon runs go wouldn't really accommodate spell learning

Really? I'd think dungeons would make ideal places for Blue Mages to gain skills. As you've pointed out yourself, they're often the places with the most good mob skills in use. The part I still don't get is why you seem to think that's a bad thing.

[Tanathya]

BLU can certainly work in this game.

What people need to get over is that a single-player game is a lot different to a MMO, therefore expecting the conversion of Jobs in single player FFs to seamlessly fit into a MMO in a 1:1 manner is silly thinking. The Blue Mage gimmick is that its skillset is comprised of signature monster abilities. How they acquire said skills is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things to how much of a 'true' BLU it is or isn't, since the objective should be making a viable Job that fits within the MMO paradigm, not an out of place one just for the sake of appeasing 'traditional', nostalgia types.

This point is moot when people bring up BLU on FFXI, which is an online game, and it's absolutely one of the best BLU versions ever made, if not the best.

[RiceisNice]

Really? I'd think dungeons would make ideal places for Blue Mages to gain skills. As you've pointed out yourself, they're often the places with the most good mob skills in use. The part I still don't get is why you seem to think that's a bad thing.

You don't want BLU getting special treatment in regards to how they obtain the skills (requiring a dungeon run). Though making them go to said dungeon entrance and doing a solo instance is fair game, though.

This point is moot when people bring up BLU on FFXI, which is an online game, and it's absolutely one of the best BLU versions ever made, if not the best.

This isn't FFXI, though.

[Niwashi]

You don't want BLU getting special treatment in regards to how they obtain the skills (requiring a dungeon run).

Blue Mages always obtain skills differently than any other job because that's what makes them a Blue Mage. As for a skill requiring a dungeon, is it all that different than a skill requiring a trial? Summoners already have extra requirements than other jobs because they can't gain an Egi until they've defeated the associated primal. So if you're looking for all jobs to have the same requirements, that's not even the case now.

[Warlyx]

Blue Mages always obtain skills differently than any other job because that's what makes them a Blue Mage. As for a skill requiring a dungeon, is it all that different than a skill requiring a trial? Summoners already have extra requirements than other jobs because they can't gain an Egi until they've defeated the associated primal. So if you're looking for all jobs to have the same requirements, that's not even the case now.

huh? thats a class quest , afaik no job needs to do a 4 or 8 man to get any skills.

the issue with rdm and blu and even Dnc or any other job that is that....jack of all trades master of none doesnt work in a trinity game , outside of having specs that make u tank / heal / dps

would be cool having a blu tank , that uses cocoon for -% dmg taken , posion breath as aoe agro tool .... screwdriver as dps , bomb toss for aoe , and for healer , plenty of options too..

in the end rdm and blu will be only 1/3 of what could have been....since can only be 1 role instead of any of the 3 (4 if u count ranged dps)

in FFXI a rdm can tank , dps (kinda) , and heal , a blu can tank too , dps , and heal (kinda ,has spam single heals , aoe heals even aoe stonekin)

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

huh? thats a class quest , afaik no job needs to do a 4 or 8 man to get any skills.

While technically true, for summoners, in order to gain the related egi you must have defeated the relevant trial: ex Ifrit for Ifegi, Titan for Titegi, Garuda for burdegi. It's entirely possible to not have the egis if you haven't been keeping up with the msq, which is a double whammy cause not having the egi also blocks out further job quests. At least, iirc.

[Niwashi]

huh? thats a class quest , afaik no job needs to do a 4 or 8 man to get any skills.

A Summoner's skills do come from their job quests, but they still have the trial requirements that no other job has. That the level 30 Summoner quest requires completion of the Ifrit trial became irrelevant once the rule changed to require the later Slyph Management quest for all level 30 job quests, so now to unlock any job you have to have fought Ifrit. However, the fact that the level 35 Summoner quest requires completion of the Titan trial and the level 45 one requires completion of the Garuda trial are requirements that no other job has.

If SE can add those extra requirements that are just for Summoner because they're specifically tied to how Summoner works, then they could add dungeon requirements to Blue Mage if they decide that would fit with how Blue Mage works.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Now, though, I feel that there are plenty of monster skills flashy enough that they'd go well in a BLU's arsenal. The aoe Stun used by boar mobs is a good example. Bad Breath, a BLU classic, could still work, though I'd guess it'd wind up being useless in anything outside of faceroll easy content (much like ACN's Tri-Bind).

This is why I think they'd be best suited as caster DPS.