level 60 dungeon roulette fair to have Aetherochemical Research Facility?

[Morningstar1337]

WTB Lahabrea and Ascian Prime minions! Will run Aetherochemical Research Facility many times for this

EDIT: While you are at it, could you please ask the minion and triple triad card masters to consider:

• Rhitahtyn sas Arvina minion from Cape Westwind
• Livia sas Junius minion (with her riding her white Magitek Mount!) from Castrum
• Gaius van Baelsar and Ultima minions from Praetorium
• Vishap minion/card in Steps of Faith
• Nabriales minion/card in The Chrysalis

(can you tell I am minion/TT mad? xD)

If we're gonna derail this topic then I should point out the dungeons that don't have minions from after Prae.

• Pharos Sirius (Both versions)
• The Lost City of Amdapor
• Wanderer's Palace (Both Versions)
• Amdapor Keep HM
• Haukke Manor HM
• Stone Vigil HM
• Dusk Vigil
• Snowcloak
• Tam-Tara Deepcroth HM
• Hullbreaker
• and Keeper of the Lake (well, unless you count 'Somnr)

Except that they'll make the drops with stupidly low drop rates so that people have the "incentive" to keep running the content. Remember, MMOs are always going to make the shiny toys be rare so that you got an excuse to keep playing and I always hear from people how they run EX primals a million times for a pony/bird or how they keep running Void Ark for the card that everyone keeps yanking from. Be careful what you wish for, because you're gonna get sick of the Aetherochemical Research Facility after that nth run for a minion.

Thank you captain obvious. I am well aware of how they make the things drop and given the precedent of the new TT cards in 2.X dungeons, am also aware that the content being outdated is a non-factor in deciding rarity. If you think I make this suggestion or the ones listed above and not expect to need 10 million in runs or gil to get the minion, well I don;t know what to say

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Sometimes you HAVE to be obvious to get it through everyone's heads. People always say how they want this or this is a good idea, only to turn around when they DO get and complain about it. It's a vicious cycle.

[Lethallin]

Just have it drop the same stuff 160 dungeon stuff as Fractal and Neverreap.

Knock 20% of the HP off of the trash mobs, just to make it faster. Not like people were wiping on trash anyway.

If it takes about 20 minutes like the other 60 dungeons (even a little longer should be FINE), people can deal with the fairly short cutscene during the final boss segment.

[Tracewood]

I must be in the minority but the dungeon isn't that long. The final boss compared to say, the Aery is a breeze. The Aery has one mechanic that kills you if not broken out in 7 seconds (like Titan hard Gaol) and a DPS check that will instawipe if you don't get it down in the what, 30 seconds it allows you.

The second boss in ARF can be burned down pretty quick now.

It might be harder on newer players, but the point of putting it in the roulette was more and more people were done with the HW story, leaving new players waiting ages for a queue. Can't blame Square for putting it in there.

[Sida]

As for the reward, I also suggest just same stuff as fractal and never reap drops. It doesn't need to be anything sky breaking or ultra rare. Just make it on par with the other dungeons in the roulette, loot wise. It won't harm the first time player if they happen to get few pieces of gear, and the regular roulette runners get their GC seal fodder. It's not that that particular dungeon needs any extra incentive for players to run that particular place now that it actually is in a roulette. It's just that those running the roulette don't want to be dealt an empty hand, when any other deal in 60 roulette would keep them in ventures and cordials.

[Cnidarian]

I personally think it's fine as is. The whole point of the DR system was to shorten the queue times for people who want to run that specific dungeon by providing a once a day bonus to people who join a random queue. Your incentive to run DR: Level 60 Dungeons is the tome bonus from the DR, not the dungeon itself.

As for people complaining that ARF takes forever, that is not true at all. I probably end up in ARF roughly 3 times a week and have never had it take longer than 20-25 minutes with new players being in there every time. The 25 minute runs was because the tank was new in i142 gear. If you get a healer and a tank that are both i180+ the dungeon is even shorter than 20 minutes as you can do mass pulls.

[Morningstar1337]

I personally think it's fine as is. The whole point of the DR system was to shorten the queue times for people who want to run that specific dungeon by providing a once a day bonus to people who join a random queue. Your incentive to run DR: Level 60 Dungeons is the tome bonus from the DR, not the dungeon itself.

Maybe, but they took for granted that every dungeon in those roulettes drops gear for Retainers/Seals, And that they could easily blitz through it because of leinent ilevel caps. Hence the complaints, they forgot that they are only entitled to the tome bonus for the roulettes, nothing more, nothing less

[Galborion]

At the moment the only reason to run this dungeon for me is the music. Otherwise it is far too long and reward is bad. As others mentioned above, there should be drops like cards, minions, crafting mats, faded pages to make this dungeon worth the time.

[Zohar_Lahar]

We decided to include the Aetherochemical Research Facility in the level 60 roulette in order to make it easier for new players to complete the dungeon as part of the main scenario for Heavensward. We'd like to consider adding rewards if necessary, so please continue to submit your suggestions with that goal in mind.

How about adding chests with Purified Coke, Raziqcoat, Dryad Sap, Moonbeam Silk, Odorless Animal Fat, and Skyspring Water?

[Syzygian]

Make ARF give as many lore tomestones as the patch 3.1 dungeons. Nothing worse than queueing for the lvl 60 roulette with your week's lore purchase in sight, only to get ARF (and realize you'll have to queue for something else afterwards). It takes longer for less lore payoff. What gives?