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  1. #11
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerrigen View Post
    My first Hummelfaust (the Gatekeeper for Alexander 5 Savage that is a harder DPS check than the actual boss) kill involved me delivering the killing blow with Stone III, right as the enrage came off. Had I been on AST instead of WHM that night, this could have been Malefic II. This is never something that I want to leave to RNG, and while one could argue that it's the DPS' job, I feel like this is a team effort and every bit helps.
    Bingo! Couldn't have said it better, and I don't think many that barely DPS appreciate ACC that much until they have been in that 1% wipe situation and realized that RNG miss might have been avoided. In-which their damage points if they would have counted, would have helped a clear.

    Someone will likely say "it's the DPS's job" but in a raid, it's everyone's job to have DPS as part of their game.

    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    I'm certainly no expert, but imo acc is not as important to AST as it is to the other healers as combust and combust II never miss anyway. obv our other offensive toolkit is still subject to acc
    Malefic II is almost akin to Stone III, and that is the single target burst you want hitting in-a-bind. ACC is just as valuable on Astro as it is on the other healers. Despite having two non-aspected DoTs that don't deal initial damage, which ignores the ACC cap.

    You really need a lot of Det to make a dent nowadays ever since the 3.0 nerf.
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    Last edited by technole; 03-16-2016 at 05:06 AM.

  2. #12
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    Miyha's Avatar
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    Miyha Manaya
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    Behemoth
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    I'm thinking of melding Crit/Det, mainly because I don't think I do that much DPS when I'm first learning things. ;;;; When I get a bit more comfortable with the new Savage fights and am okay stance-dancing, I might consider replacing some of that Det with Acc. But until then... XP Just my two cents.
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  3. #13
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    Shiki_Lockhart's Avatar
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    Shiki Lockhart
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    As AST 221 right now I've 706 crit, 675 det, 641 speed and acc untouched (barely miss anything still but didn't try A5S yet but will start next week). And have 16485 hp and 13861 mp, but that's because I melded 1 VIT V in each accessory and that will go away as I replace with 230 or 240 as I get stronger. This build is more for main healing than dps though and AST can't miss DoTs anyway so I'm fine and buffing party take my part of dpsing a bit too
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    Last edited by Shiki_Lockhart; 03-18-2016 at 03:27 AM.

  4. #14
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    BloodPact's Avatar
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    Atemi'a Arecis
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    Leviathan
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki_Lockhart View Post
    As AST 221 right now I've 706 crit, 675 det, 641 speed and acc untouched (barely miss anything still but didn't try A5S yet but will start next week). And have 16485 hp and 13861 mp, but that's because I melded 1 VIT V in each accessory and that will go away as I replace with 230 or 240 as I get stronger. This build is more for main healing than dps though and AST can't miss DoTs anyway so I'm fine and buffing party take my part of dpsing a bit too
    You haven't touched accuracy and you barely miss anything? I'm 218 with like 5 AccIV melds and I can't tell you how many times I miss even on Expert Roulette. And not even going by hard numbers, just looking at the flying text on screen it's super common to see 2 out of 5 misses on Gravity.
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  5. #15
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki_Lockhart View Post
    As AST 221 right now I've 706 crit, 675 det, 641 speed and acc untouched (barely miss anything still but didn't try A5S yet but will start next week).
    Sorry, but this is bull (unless the ONLY DPS spells you use are Combust and Combust II). Before I started melding accuracy on my gear (back when my accuracy was the normal 350 healer accuracy) I was missing CONSTANTLY in the new dungeons and Midas normal.
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  6. #16
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Sorry, but this is bull (unless the ONLY DPS spells you use are Combust and Combust II). Before I started melding accuracy on my gear (back when my accuracy was the normal 350 healer accuracy) I was missing CONSTANTLY in the new dungeons and Midas normal.
    Yeah it has to be bull, Malefic II is no way 100% in current content with base ACC.
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  7. #17
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Cerberus
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Yeah it has to be bull, Malefic II is no way 100% in current content with base ACC.
    At base accuracy Gravity has a high miss rate in current ex dungeons. Malefic II also. In savage at base accuracy the miss rate on Malefic II is misrable.

    So yes i agree with you about this being bull.
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  8. #18
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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Well i tried spell speed and yeah it only droped my casts to 1.45 at 900ish spell speed .. Tried healing with it i felt weak D: like i was barely making a difference

    Currently im at 802 det and in noct im getting 10k crits with benefit II which im liking be my casts feel slow in both diurnal and noct sect

    Crit seems ok but its random

    Accuracy is nice if u like to play with cleric stance

    But after my experiance with going from spell speed to det is... Secondaries do not matter as much as a healer.... Which now im thinking that accuracy is the way forward for melds as healer

    Which is annoying because accuracy only effect aero, gravity, stella, malefic because comburst and comburst 2 can never miss

    My stats currently
    1152 mind..... 554 crit..... 802 det...... 428 spell....
    (still need melds on some gear and got seph wep)
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  9. #19
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    Zaj_Quilos's Avatar
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    Zaj Quilos
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiki_Lockhart View Post
    As AST 221 right now I've 706 crit, 675 det, 641 speed and acc untouched (barely miss anything still but didn't try A5S yet but will start next week). And have 16485 hp and 13861 mp, but that's because I melded 1 VIT V in each accessory and that will go away as I replace with 230 or 240 as I get stronger. This build is more for main healing than dps though and AST can't miss DoTs anyway so I'm fine and buffing party take my part of dpsing a bit too
    Same. I'm not touching accuracy.
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  10. #20
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    Andrea's Avatar
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    Princess Andrea
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    Leviathan
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Someone will likely say "it's the DPS's job" but in a raid, it's everyone's job to have DPS as part of their game.
    Imo anyone who claims its the dps job deserves to be removed from the static. That is not the kind of attitude you want in a raid group >.<
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