fine sand no longer sold at npc after 1.19

[Reika]

THey never said they were removing the recipe, just that it was not going to be sold by the npc. Personally i already have one retainer on a mule with 100+10 stacks of fine sand on it... I think 11000 fine sand will last me a while ^^

So you're fine with the change because you stocked up on fine sands already.
selfish...

Why not just tell the guy to stock up on fine sands before the patch instead of being a selfish smart ass.

Hi OP, just buy lots and lots of fine sands before they can no longer be purchased. lots and lots of them. and possibly place them all on a mule on a second account with a second computer, because everyone should be able to do that, with our abundance of pc's and accounts.

[StateAlchemist]

doesnt matter im not fine with it because i stocked up, im fine with it because i always found it unfair to those who gathered fine sand and synthed it and couldnt sell it for even a marginal profit, now it opens uo another market venue. i have always had a large stockpile of fine sand, specifically so i wouldnt have to run back to uldah incase i needed some, i could just hop to mule set retainer and buy it from myself

edit : and i dont have a second accoutn or pc i wish i did.

[Aykatu]

So you're fine with the change because you stocked up on fine sands already.
selfish...

Why not just tell the guy to stock up on fine sands before the patch instead of being a selfish smart ass.

Hi OP, just buy lots and lots of fine sands before they can no longer be purchased. lots and lots of them. and possibly place them all on a mule on a second account with a second computer, because everyone should be able to do that, with our abundance of pc's and accounts.

1.) Selfish? Or proactive?
2.) Smart ass? Better than a dumb ass?
3.) Why would someone purchase another account to have a mule when they can have mules for free?
4.) An abundance of intelligence and problem solving skills is much more valuable than unneeded PCs and additional accounts.

[Fullmetal]

So you're fine with the change because you stocked up on fine sands already.
selfish...

Why not just tell the guy to stock up on fine sands before the patch instead of being a selfish smart ass.

Hi OP, just buy lots and lots of fine sands before they can no longer be purchased. lots and lots of them. and possibly place them all on a mule on a second account with a second computer, because everyone should be able to do that, with our abundance of pc's and accounts.

Yes, I plan on buying 1M worth of it - hopefully it will last a good while. thanks.

[Reika]

1.) Selfish? Or proactive?
2.) Smart ass? Better than a dumb ass?
3.) Why would someone purchase another account to have a mule when they can have mules for free?
4.) An abundance of intelligence and problem solving skills is much more valuable than unneeded PCs and additional accounts.

1.) Selfish, because instead of just saying to buy lots of them, she says to go craft them; something she had no plans on ever doing herself since she has 11000 stored. lol?!
2.) Smart-ass because of the above and carrying on this thread without saying to do the same as she
3.) you cant 'buy' from your own retainers, you buy from 'other peoples' retainers. Its crazy risky to set up a mule retainer and buy from it too, I have gotten many lighting shards from that error.
4.) just an abundance of smart-ass comments from you and you and others until i came an solved the problem

Good game.

[Eldaena]

You know, on topic here, it seems several alchemy things are vanishing. New recipes won't involve several glues and things like horns, wings, scales, etc aren't going to be dropping from mobs anymore or being used in new synths? What is this exactly? All the materials for glues as well as their uses are leaving. And the whole dye thing on top of that. And the fine sand...what are they doing to my class? =(

[StateAlchemist]

Actually I do, when I skill up Goldsmithing. I am getting ready to skill up Culinarian and will have more sea sand then the ocean floor might as well save it.
I said I buy them from my mules retainer not my own idiot. And Its not risky when you over price it significantly. (I usually list them for 1K each, no one is going to pay that.)
Your just as much of a smart ass as we are "Mrs. Pot".

~The Kettle.

[Aykatu]

"Mrs. Pot".

~The Kettle.

I lol'd

[Reika]

You know, on topic here, it seems several alchemy things are vanishing. New recipes won't involve several glues and things like horns, wings, scales, etc aren't going to be dropping from mobs anymore or being used in new synths? What is this exactly? All the materials for glues as well as their uses are leaving. And the whole dye thing on top of that. And the fine sand...what are they doing to my class? =(

Simplifing other recipes meant making less of those glues needed too i suppose. The recipies for all the glues of today wont go away imediately tho. We will still be able to make them and use them in old recipes until they die out.

[Kahri]

4 lightning shards + tiger cod/striped goby = 12 wind shards
4 lightning shards + finger shrimp/tree toad = 12 water shards
4 lightning shards + pipira/scallop shell/ocean cloud/vongola clam = 12 fire shards
4 lightning shards + merlthor goby/rainbow trout = 12 ice shards
4 lightning shards + maiden carp/black scorpion = 12 earth shards

....and to top it all off....

4 lightning shards + malm kelp/brass loach = 12 lightning shards

....I'm guessing malm kelp won't be considered such a trash item anymore ^^.

In short:

(i) stock up on fine sand before the update if you have the space available.
(ii) save using fine sand after the update on desynthing lightning crystals to shards if anything - because it looks like the lightning shards will be in demand.
(iii) be prepared to fish a lot.

A ls mate was worrying about this yesterday. I'm not particularly concerned as I like to do my own fishing and alchemy desynths, and I don't worry about crystal selling/buying. IMHO the update makes it more difficult to desynth to shards in great quantities, but it doesn't prevent it, so the end result will probably be higher shard cost, which should also encourage people to fish and desynth their own, rather than relying on buying due to the likely increased prices.

It doesn't stop people buying shards if they want to, but it does mean that players who farm their own through fishing and desynthing will have a mat cost and profit margin advantage over the players who don't.

I don't see a problem with it.

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P.S. Additionally the extra effort needed to either obtain fine sand, or fish up the specific fish species will likely lead to a greater drain on RMT resources, thereby possibly making the overall process less appealing to them.