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  1. #21
    Player Vaeria's Avatar
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    Devil Panzerfaust
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Renault View Post
    If you can't get a single cast off for EMP arrow then you're not a good bard...Sorry, I'm not going to sit here and agree just because a less than average MCH is more valuable than a less than average BRD. A good BRD can accomplish more than a good MCH, as they can do it alone, and they have Warden's Paen, which is an extremely valuable ability that can cancel out tri-disasters and prevent stun locks.

    Woulda given you SOME credit til you included the Warden's Paen-extremely valuable words all in one sentence. This ability is a poor man's Fetter Ward that quietly drops off the minute so much as a fart is thrown a brd's way. Kinda like Perfect Dodge...but oh ya..nin's actually got upgraded to something more useful O_O
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  2. #22
    Player
    nickx's Avatar
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    Character
    Calien Nightstalker
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 70
    As someone who hit Light Party Diamond tier as Bard with a 98% win rate (the majority of the games also with a ninja, arguably weaker than DRG/MNK paired with a Bard right now), I can say that it's definitely not a bad ranged job. However, it's quite difficult to play with juggling WM, maintaining sweet spot position, and utilizing Wardens Paean effectively. Summoner appears strongest (and arguably is the strongest ranged currently) because the skill required to execute their damage isn't too high (not to say they don't take skill, good summoners still outshine average ones).

    Comparing Bard to Machinist, both jobs have their ups and downs, but I do not think one outshines the other by a large margin.
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  3. #23
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    Felien's Avatar
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    Felien Eurelt
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    In light party communication and synchronization come first than the job power difference.
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  4. #24
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    Renault's Avatar
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    King Stefan
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaeria View Post
    Woulda given you SOME credit til you included the Warden's Paen-extremely valuable words all in one sentence. This ability is a poor man's Fetter Ward that quietly drops off the minute so much as a fart is thrown a brd's way. Kinda like Perfect Dodge...but oh ya..nin's actually got upgraded to something more useful O_O
    If you don't see the value in WP than you are probably not using it correctly.
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  5. #25
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    konage's Avatar
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    Devenu De'lune
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaeria View Post
    Woulda given you SOME credit til you included the Warden's Paen-extremely valuable words all in one sentence. This ability is a poor man's Fetter Ward that quietly drops off the minute so much as a fart is thrown a brd's way. Kinda like Perfect Dodge...but oh ya..nin's actually got upgraded to something more useful O_O
    I can see in being valuable during burst phase where they either CC someone or debuff someone with dmg inc buff, so no, it's extremely valuable
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  6. #26
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    LunnaRavenheart's Avatar
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    Character
    Lunna Ravenheart
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 70
    In solo queue 4v4 when you get bard or blm its almost always loose ... Only few % can play BLM but 90% of time they will do like 10k dmg
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  7. #27
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    Spawnie's Avatar
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    Spawnie Lionheart
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 80
    i find it hard to use wanderers in feast.. since dps always go for ranged 1st since we are pests for thier heals.. sometime i manage to get the healer alone for a quick bind + barrage + empolyean arrow then gotta run til cooldown expires to turn it off since the dragoon is back lol
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  8. #28
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    Hierro's Avatar
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    Character
    Ziero Rehw-bidit
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    DRK has some big issues in the feast.

    Damage is a huge issue. It's very ignorable, so no one cares if you're focusing a target. While the damage potential is nearly the same as the other tanks on paper, in practice DRK has low damage because of your reliance on MP. Of the two methods to regenerate MP, one is made useless due to the soft spoken rule that tanks are not to be primary targets (unless you're a thorn in the enemy's side, but that never happens.) So, goodbye blood price! What about blood weapon? Well, it's very much guaranteed you will not get as much MP from it as you'd have liked because not every hit will connect. Then it goes on cooldown. Keep in mind darkside's natural drain. Second, since you are not the target everyone is hitting, there goes the potential damage from low-blow resets and reprisal procs right out the window. This leaves you with the option of spamming delirium, and no one cares if you do. Also, salted earth gets thrown out the window as well because no one would dare stand in that for more than a second. Actually, maybe they wouldn't care because your damage sucks anyways. By the time you know it, you're in a sitaution where you're starving for MP. Goodbye DA C&S, DP, and any more DASE combos!


    Well, if damage isn't an option, how about utility? No, they don't have that either. Tar pit and carnal chill are nice (not great, just nice), but the long cooldown makes them impractical. When it comes to tankiness, they're lacking options. WAR have thrill or war and battle, vegneance, raw intuiton+awareness, second wind and equilibrium. I don't even need to go into what PLD has. DRK? Oh, they're supposed to be the tank taht specializes in mitigating magic damage. That'd be great, except half the damage of every team is going to be physical at the very least. They don't even make great medal scavengers.

    PLD has cover, a 9 sec. stun (if played correctly), lots of utility, and a shield. WAR has holmgang, thrill of war, and great burst. DRK.... has a gap closer. That's it. SE, please buff this class! Buff this thing's damage so it's a threat that others must target. If you won't do that, give them some utility that at least makes them as desirable a tank to have like the other two. If both those options are a no go, I'm begging here, at least make them tankier so if they have no damage or utlity, at least they'll make decent hoarders of medals. I'm asking for very little at this point, because that's how little DRK has.
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    Last edited by Hierro; 03-14-2016 at 07:23 PM.

  9. #29
    Player
    Felien's Avatar
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    Felien Eurelt
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    In a pvp match Pld is annoying at the start but later the become a kind of a weak support class, Pld don't have good burst dmg. War is to strong during all the fight make then very hard to play against. Drk is ... I don't know I never saw one causing me trouble in the feast. Actually the are there just because looks a cool class to play. They need big help in pvp, plus fell cleave is to op in pvp because everyone build their set based in crit. But if for some reason they let us use pvp materia Pld will be mutch weak to.
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  10. #30
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    NessaWyvern's Avatar
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    Nessa Goddessly
    World
    Ravana
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 96
    I would like bards and mch more if they used their instant cast pvp mp restore on me ;-; they never seem to, even when I spam the chat with macros.
    But yeah, as a healer, I fear wars and plds far more than I fear drks. they need some kind of buff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felien View Post
    plus fell cleave is to op in pvp because everyone build their set based in crit.
    I thank my lucky stars (astro pun) that warriors were nerfed in pvp, I once got hit in the face with a 9k crit in the past, and my friend once critted 11k with his fell cleave on a smn that had vul. debuffs on him.
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 03-14-2016 at 09:25 PM.

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