fine sand no longer sold at npc after 1.19

[Fullmetal]

Here is a thoughtful analysis of the problem: It takes 6-24 shards + 6 fish to make 6 river sands using CUL. (Some synths require 1- 4 wind shards per river sand)
Then you need a goldsmith to turn the 6 sands into a fine sand, requiring additional crystals.
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So to make 1 single fine sand, you need 7 synths: 10-28 shards + 6 fish + 10 minutes of time to do all the prerequisite synthing.
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Then the fine sand will only produce 16 shards, potentially yielding a net profit of 0 or negative shards. Again, all to produce 1 single fine sand, of which, we need 63 to make a stack of shards. You will be lucky to even break even on this process after the crystal is broken down. You can decide if you think this makes sense.

It seems like all of these changes were not thought out fully. Given how large the list of changes is, this is not at all a surprise. But I suppose we will have to live with it - perhaps things will change in a few months when the next patch comes out. Hopefully you will have a large enough stockpile of fine sand to hold out.

[Aykatu]

Hey, as Public Enemy said, "Fight the Power!" Like the trpl post!!! <----Three marks! unspoken punz!

[StateAlchemist]

hmmm lets see... fish make sea sand, and sea sand makes fine sand...level culinarian?

[Fullmetal]

hmmm lets see... fish make sea sand, and sea sand makes fine sand...level culinarian?

hmmm lets see.....2 more steps + tons of mats + another class to level to make 1 single fine sand at a time which i will require hundreds of? the crafting time alone will be several hours just to make a stack of fine sand. don't be stupid - this change is a rip off and if you were smart you would be outraged too. the purpose of these crafting changes were supposed to SIMPLIFY the system and make it less dependent on other classes.

[StateAlchemist]

Why? I synth my crystals down too. Doesn't bother me any.

[Ceons]

hmmm lets see.....2 more steps + tons of mats + another class to level to make 1 single fine sand at a time which i will require hundreds of? the crafting time alone will be several hours just to make a stack of fine sand. don't be stupid - this change is a rip off and if you were smart you would be outraged too.

If your asking for help, then be nice, if your reporting it as something hopefully a dev will read great, there is no reason for insults still.. If your just trolling then wtf no reason to insult peoples intelligence for suggesting something.

Edit: Was it really necessary to start two threads about this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-SHAFT-IN-1.19

[Fullmetal]

this change is counterproductive. And @ Ceons, im not trolling, I just don't like when people pretend they are so clever but are actually being stupid - especially when its in the best interest of their own class.

[StateAlchemist]

the purpose of these crafting changes were supposed to SIMPLIFY the system and make it less dependent on other classes.

Obviously they also dont want everyone buying an item that is obtainable through gathering and synthesis to be unsellable because an npc sells it cheap enough for the entire games populace to ignore mw prices

[StateAlchemist]

Also, they know RMT bots are fishing to infinitely generate shards to sell in MW. Fine Sand disappearing from an NPC doesn't surprise me or anger me at all. It literally shuts down the crystal > shard end of the RMT shard bots. Now instead of farming fish that give 3x the crystals needed to synth it they will be forced to fish for ones that make the actual shards, or split their bots to farm sand.

[Aykatu]

Triple posted actually...