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  1. #11
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    Raminax's Avatar
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Is this based on the assumption that you can fully slot a set of armor with Crit IV materia, though? Stat caps are a thing.
    Yerr, I wasn't being realistic, really. Just wanted to show that even Tier IV Materia does matter.

    Edit: To illustrate my point.

    If Dervy's weights for Ninjas are to be believed...

    Splitting half of your materia into Det and Crit to account for random stat cap shenanigans -

    Full Tier IVs would be worth 26.5 DPS
    Full Tier Vs would be worth 41.4 DPS

    A pair of Kannagi are worth 1105.6 DPS

    Upgrading to Points of the Sephirot (worth 1135.8 DPS) from Kannagi nets you 30.2 DPS, worth slightly more than a full Tier IV setup, but a fair bit less than a full Tier V setup.

    Upgrading to the Torrent Kris (worth 1178.4 DPS) from the Points of the Sephirot nets you 42.6 DPS, worth significantly more compared to a Tier IV setup, but just above a Tier V setup.

    Upgrading to Augmented Torrent Kris (worth 1204.2 DPS) from the Torrent Kris nets you 25.8 DPS, worth less than both ranks of Materia setups.

    Finally, upgrading to Midan Metal Daggers (worth 1216.2 DPS) from the Augmented Torrent Kris nets you 12 DPS, worth even less than the previous upgrade.

    Essentially, not bothering to use Materia at all is akin to skipping weapon upgrades. And that's not even getting into the potential of crafted items holding up to five materia each.
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    Last edited by Raminax; 03-12-2016 at 04:16 AM.

  2. #12
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    TheUltimateSeph's Avatar
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    Adolf Weismann
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    not melding is just asking to be carried.
    This is just so wrong
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    Last edited by TheUltimateSeph; 03-12-2016 at 08:20 AM.

  3. #13
    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Rumina Asou
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    Cactuar
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    Yerr, I wasn't being realistic, really. Just wanted to show that even Tier IV Materia does matter.
    Edit: To illustrate my point.

    If Dervy's weights for Ninjas are to be believed...

    Splitting half of your materia into Det and Crit to account for random stat cap shenanigans -

    Full Tier IVs would be worth 26.5 DPS
    Full Tier Vs would be worth 41.4 DPS

    A pair of Kannagi are worth 1105.6 DPS

    Upgrading to Points of the Sephirot (worth 1135.8 DPS) from Kannagi nets you 30.2 DPS, worth slightly more than a full Tier IV setup, but a fair bit less than a full Tier V setup.

    Upgrading to the Torrent Kris (worth 1178.4 DPS) from the Points of the Sephirot nets you 42.6 DPS, worth significantly more compared to a Tier IV setup, but just above a Tier V setup.

    Upgrading to Augmented Torrent Kris (worth 1204.2 DPS) from the Torrent Kris nets you 25.8 DPS, worth less than both ranks of Materia setups.

    Finally, upgrading to Midan Metal Daggers (worth 1216.2 DPS) from the Augmented Torrent Kris nets you 12 DPS, worth even less than the previous upgrade.

    Essentially, not bothering to use Materia at all is akin to skipping weapon upgrades. And that's not even getting into the potential of crafted items holding up to five materia each

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    edit, some info on crit, and how the game rounds number in general. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=810267486
    first things first, your conversions are referring to the wrong thing. its not a dps difference but a main stat difference.
    second, this has to be corrected; 4 crit is not 4% crit. just like the other stats, there are thresholds. if it was the way you were saying it, then as soon as anyone reached 100 crit, they will always crit. hell, on my nin, by your numbers i have 1000% chance to crit. someone melding a crit IV is just shy of being two more main stat.
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    Last edited by Kaze3434; 03-12-2016 at 03:55 PM.

  4. #14
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Ninja Lv 90
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    My post reduces more damage then parry does.
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    Gunspec Daggerforge
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    Ultros
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    Warrior Lv 80
    If you go ninja, you should choose ice, baby.
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