Are there more tanks playing now?

[Zadocfish]

Very, very slightly longer. They reduced it by about 20-30% right? So the ones doing less than the DPS are now doing 70% of the damage they used to. And in Cleric Stance, a Healer would be doing more damage than a Tank anyways, usually... So, what does that percentage translate into for clearing the dungeon? Anyone have numbers on it?

[Reynhart]

Yes we still do some damage but not as much as before which as a DRK/WAR wielding a fucking Greatsword/Greataxe I imagine some players would find the change offensive and will have to adapt. And because Tanks do less damage clear times will be slightly longer.

Great Sword and Great Axe don't matter. A DPS could use wet noodles to hit, it will still do more damage than you because the game says so. In case you didn't realize, we're already outdamaged by someone using little knives, or even bare-handed.

Again, my issue is not that people complain about tank doing less damage, it's that it's enough for them to quit, meaning that they didn't care about the main focus of their role.

[MilaDazol]

Again, my issue is not that people complain about tank doing less damage, it's that it's enough for them to quit, meaning that they didn't care about the main focus of their role.

Pretty much this sums why people are leaving the tank ranks; they just wanted easy runs, and now that the game asks more from them, the flee.

In the bright side, at least now ex-tanks will have a nice role-playing set to show in the Quicksands, and can cosplay as Cloud and show their inner darklord.

[Launched]

Pretty much this sums why people are leaving the tank ranks; they just wanted easy runs, and now that the game asks more from them, the flee.

Have you ever actually tanked something or did you just fate grind your way to 60? Tank-exclusive mechanics are some of the easiest things in the game and we're upset that SE just wants to restrict us to that instead of doing more. The bad VIT tanks that just wanted to hold aggro and afk? They're happy with these changes because it increased their enmity and dps. Good STR ones? A straight nerf overall, because generally they're the people that want to do well and knew how to pop cooldowns. We gained no survivability and lost damage/self healing.

[Gameplayzero]

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ALL GUESSTIMATION.

With how pitiful the mobs hit for in expert roulette and how Square gated big pulls, realistically a strength tank could make runs faster than they are now on expert. On older content I feel like the vit change has made things faster (outside of boss fights). As you've said, a tank isn't going to beat a healer on mobs for aoes as their aoe damage is pitiful (correct if i'm wrong on that). Since everyone wants to pull big and the old content isn't as gated, the extra hp buffer helps healers dps a lot more than quick dpsing then backing off to heal a strength tank. Sure I guess you could get into dps stance for a bit then Holmgang/Living Dead + a Benediction for quick dps before, but unless you had a coordinated group I assume most tanks are gonna be in tank stance regardless for big pulls.

[MagiusNecros]

Great Sword and Great Axe don't matter. A DPS could use wet noodles to hit, it will still do more damage than you because the game says so. In case you didn't realize, we're already outdamaged by someone using little knives, or even bare-handed.

Again, my issue is not that people complain about tank doing less damage, it's that it's enough for them to quit, meaning that they didn't care about the main focus of their role.

It just matters to them and I can kinda sympathize with how they feel. However when I play as a tank class I generally play it not only to ensure a smooth dungeon run for my friends but to focus on the main drawing point which is tanking 101. Because so many other Tanks just suck at what they do.

[MilaDazol]

Have you ever actually tanked something or did you just fate grind your way to 60?

Marauder was my starting class, and Warrior is still my main job, so yeah, I know how to tank.

What are you crying about is that you miss the overpowered warrior that had dps-tier damage, super self heals, no aggro management at all, and a rotation a lot easier than any dps.

Yes, I was full STR WAR in last patch, but I like a lot more the new VIT meta, as I need to be more strategic about my resources, and finally I can roll and use accessories designed to my class. yeah I lost 20+-% of my dps, but the job now is a lot more interesting to play. If you miss STR that much, spend some gil and meld some V materia on your accessories.

And of course tank mechanics are easier than other classes, because if a dps fucks it up, is a slower run; is a tank gets it wrong, is a wipe (obviously in savage all must give 100%)

[Gameplayzero]

And of course tank mechanics are easier than other classes, because if a dps fucks it up, is a slower run; is a tank gets it wrong, is a wipe (obviously in savage all must give 100%)

I never understood this logic. I'm assuming we aren't talking 8 man normal content where Co-tank can just take boss (and handle everything himself if he wanted) or savage where if one person wipes then its tough for everyone regardless. So i'm guessing you mean dungeons? I never really had trouble/seeing others healing a dps when a tank left duty finder UNLESS its a big pull. You can easily improvise without a tank on dungeons if everyone is on the same page. In extreme cases you could just as easily sleep some enemies or have titan out if any of your party members have those abilities. DPS' have cooldowns as well.
Now if a healer is dead then thats much more likely to wipe depending how much health mob/boss has and how good your dps is.

No offense but thats a pretty crappy excuse to making tank mechanics boring most of the time where its mainly just a tank swap and positioning here and there.

[Reynhart]

Have you ever actually tanked something or did you just fate grind your way to 60? Tank-exclusive mechanics are some of the easiest things in the game and we're upset that SE just wants to restrict us to that instead of doing more. The bad VIT tanks that just wanted to hold aggro and afk? They're happy with these changes because it increased their enmity and dps. Good STR ones? A straight nerf overall, because generally they're the people that want to do well and knew how to pop cooldowns. We gained no survivability and lost damage/self healing.

Oh, so you were that kind of tank...the one so full of himself who tries to pretend than DPS on tank is hard to improve, as if the rotation was not utterly basic.
And the one who considers that STR = good tank and VIT = bad tank, totally ignoring the fact that it does not change in any way how you play your tank and how you manage your cooldowns.

I'm liking this change more and more just to get rid of people with that kind of mentality.

[MilaDazol]

So i'm guessing you mean dungeons? .

Yeah, I mean dungeons, pretty much any non endgame content.

I know is not the best excuse to "making tank mechanics boring most of the time" but, if SE do it more difficult in casual content, people will complain, and you can say the same in for all roles ; DPS = kill some adds asap and interact to something ; Healers = heal some debuff and clean the party mistakes.

You are right on that Tanks usually have it a bit easier on mechanics , but Im guessing is because SE understand tanks have also a bit more responsibility on the party, as you are the one who dictates the pace, and if you as a tank die (or healer) as almost certain a wipe, so is easier to do it, but you cant mess it up.

To get to the point of this thread, I feel is that responsibility, the easier rotation and less dps are the factors which drive people away from tanking.