Petition Against Ifrit Weapon Designs

[Xionraserei]

Yeah but... we can agree the bow looks ridiculous to all human eyes... right?

Without any doubt in my head.

[Xionraserei]

There is no consensus on design, there is no design that is intrinsicly better than another. If you are a designer, then you should know that design, aestetics and art varies to an insane amount. I would hope as someone who claims to be a designer, you would have some form of respect for other designers works. Juts because YOU dont like it doesnt mean its an inferior design. Also, stop hating on a whole culture of designers, its getting to be kind of annoying, all the people constantly trying to sterotype and hate on korean designers.

Sir I understand that everyone can not be in love with the same design. I've said that throughout this topic. However there is a responsibility especially with MMOs that there is a general need to have items at least be agreeable by majority. These fall out of that general area.

I am not sterotyping korean designers. It is a fact that all major and free to play korean MMOs are like this. A sterotype isn't one if it's true sir. Show me some that are not like this and I will redact that descriptive comment.

[Xionraserei]

Why is it that you feel so free to make assumptions about people you don't even know?

I write for a living. Do you consider that to be creative? Would you like me to come back atcha with some helpful criticism as to how you could improve your writing skills (which, frankly, seem to be a little lacking)? Would you feel pretty good about that sort of feedback? It's the equivalent of what you are doing here.

I am quite familiar with Korean MMO's, thank you very much. I just don't have a problem with them the way that you seem to. It's a video game, man. Not reality. The fact that some things look more unrealistic than others is to be expected, not something to pitch a fit over.

I have little doubt that I've been playing games since before you were born... we didn't used to have the luxury of bitching at devs because we don't like the way one weapon looks. You suck it up and move on. Maybe that's why I think you're being rude here.

Actually, No. Writing is not a creative position in the sense of design. Writing falls under a different field. I would not take a writers comment as a design comment. I'd take them as a normal individuals comment if it is a design related issue. If it was on another subject I would take your comment as an educated opinion.

"I am quite familiar with Korean MMO's, thank you very much. I just don't have a problem with them the way that you seem to. It's a video game, man. Not reality. The fact that some things look more unrealistic than others is to be expected, not something to pitch a fit over."

- Then you would understand that they are vastly different than Final Fantasy Titles in terms of design and have a specific catagory within MMO classifications and would have agree'd with me.

"I have little doubt that I've been playing games since before you were born... we didn't used to have the luxury of bitching at devs because we don't like the way one weapon looks. You suck it up and move on. Maybe that's why I think you're being rude here."

We'll you didn't have MMOs then or fancy graphics now did you? Theres more involved these days than your imagination.

i wont even elaborate on your off-topic banter about my writing. Left field? (yes that's a lowercase i)

[Geesus]

Xionraserei? Than I have a question for you. As a designer, you also should know that just because something was shown doesn't mean that those items or things or w/e will be the ACTUAL AND final desing. Correct? So why your post maybe be legitimate in your eyes and some others, Cycloptichorn and others have their own opinons to express how they wish. It has nothing to do with your "title" per sae but if you ask for the opinoins, you will get some. Just like when other people may start their own thread of disgust about something you may yourself may not agree with, you give your 2 cents and THAT OP may feel you are trolling their thread.

Now, with that said; my LS mates and my self, that's 40+ people agree the items are freaking cool as hell. Some are a bit okish...not my faves but the idea of them is quite cool. As for your worry as far as the size, I'm sure more played into that video than what you saw. Could have been dozens of things like poor video or what have you that COULD HAVE not saying definately but COULD have given the illusion of the weapsons being larger than they were. Example you say? Ok, here's one; if you pan out from your PC and pan the camera at certain angels, you get a distored reality of the size of your gear and weaps. TADA!!!!!

Your point has been noted and since you are a designer, you won't get anymore postive feeback than what you have already gotten. Take it for what it is and move on. The only reason this thread has as much clout as it does currently is because you will continue to argue your point with those who are 1) Tired of the bitching about every GD thing that SE and the Devs try to do and 2) because a small portion agree with you. Want to get a better and possibly more realistic response; post a poll. Than you give everyone the option of yes or no or don't care and BAM, issue resolved. No trolling no BS.

[Abauge_Goga]

OP,
What made you say that they seem out of place for FF series? I am curious.
I personally think they are a bit bulky, but they do look cool. I don't think they really are out of place since FFXIV is evolving. They can't use the same ideas every time or we get bored.

I am interested in seeing new types of armour, gear, new mobs, new everything. It's a fantasy game, so let them imagine new things.

[Xionraserei]

Xionraserei? Than I have a question for you. As a designer, you also should know that just because something was shown doesn't mean that those items or things or w/e will be the ACTUAL AND final desing. Correct? So why your post maybe be legitimate in your eyes and some others, Cycloptichorn and others have their own opinons to express how they wish. It has nothing to do with your "title" per sae but if you ask for the opinoins, you will get some. Just like when other people may start their own thread of disgust about something you may yourself may not agree with, you give your 2 cents and THAT OP may feel you are trolling their thread.

Now, with that said; my LS mates and my self, that's 40+ people agree the items are freaking cool as hell. Some are a bit okish...not my faves but the idea of them is quite cool. As for your worry as far as the size, I'm sure more played into that video than what you saw. Could have been dozens of things like poor video or what have you that COULD HAVE not saying definately but COULD have given the illusion of the weapsons being larger than they were. Example you say? Ok, here's one; if you pan out from your PC and pan the camera at certain angels, you get a distored reality of the size of your gear and weaps. TADA!!!!!

Your point has been noted and since you are a designer, you won't get anymore postive feeback than what you have already gotten. Take it for what it is and move on. The only reason this thread has as much clout as it does currently is because you will continue to argue your point with those who are 1) Tired of the bitching about every GD thing that SE and the Devs try to do and 2) because a small portion agree with you. Want to get a better and possibly more realistic response; post a poll. Than you give everyone the option of yes or no or don't care and BAM, issue resolved. No trolling no BS.

I believe that video shows a final product. It was posted more recently and that update is tomorrow.
If it was a month ago I wouldn't be doing this.

I understand scale and proportion to the character and I made my size comments based on that since they are shown with characters. I feel like my comment is right on that. The video quality is undistorted and 720p. I disagree with your illusion comment also. These are not taken by a camera shooting a monitor. They are direct from screen capture.

[Xionraserei]

OP,
What made you say that they seem out of place for FF series? I am curious.
I personally think they are a bit bulky, but they do look cool. I don't think they really are out of place since FFXIV is evolving. They can't use the same ideas every time or we get bored.

I am interested in seeing new types of armour, gear, new mobs, new everything. It's a fantasy game, so let them imagine new things.

I think they look out of place because weapons as such have been a staple in games like World Of Warcraft, Aion, and Several other games which I believe are of lesser quality and unsophisticated. They most often rely on cleavage and giant flashy weapons to attract a player base (My Opinion).

As said previously, FFXI has been adding new weapons and armor since 2002 and I have not had a single weapon in that game where I thought it was ugly or too much out of place.

[Geesus]

I believe that video shows a final product. It was posted more recently and that update is tomorrow.
If it was a month ago I wouldn't be doing this.

I understand scale and proportion to the character and I made my size comments based on that since they are shown with characters. I feel like my comment is right on that. The video quality is undistorted and 720p. I disagree with your illusion comment also. These are not taken by a camera shooting a monitor. They are direct from screen capture.

You missed the entire point. I didn't SAY they were taken with a video camera of a monitor. Also, incase you have not been KEPT UP TO DATE, the patch comes out on the 4th. Get your facts straight before you continue to blast OTHER people's OPINIONS as you DID ASK for them or do I need to go back to page one and quote you sir?

[Geesus]

I think they look out of place because weapons as such have been a staple in games like World Of Warcraft, Aion, and Several other games which I believe are of lesser quality and unsophisticated. They most often rely on cleavage and giant flashy weapons to attract a player base (My Opinion).

As said previously, FFXI has been adding new weapons and armor since 2002 and I have not had a single weapon in that game where I thought it was ugly or too much out of place.

Then go back to FFXI which I also played for several years. Get off your high horse.

[Cycloptichorn]

Yeah, the FF series has always been known for it's realistic-looking weapons.

Um.

Not so much.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cloud_Strife

The current designs are no wilder than what's been in the series for years.