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    Persisia's Avatar
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    Ember Richmond
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    Brynhildr
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    Dragoon Lv 70

    Is Scholar supposed to be this strangely inconvenient?

    Whenever my level is synched, I can't cast aero, protect, or resurrection. This wouldn't bother me so much, but it just seems strange that a healing class is unable to revive fallen party members? Am I supposed to take Raise from conjurer instead or something? It's not only in dungeons, but also in fates and storyline quests. Is this supposed to be like this? Does it change at a higher level?
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    Duran Felden
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    Scholar Lv 70
    When level sync'd you have access to the skills you would have had at that level. So 22 for resurrection, you don't get to backport anything from higher up. The same goes for your cross-class slots, you have as many as you would have at that level so cross-class skill assigned to slots that wouldn't have yet been unlocked are unavailable. Same reason you don't see level sync'd BLMs casting Fire 4 in Copperbell Mines. I can see an argument that could be made about allowing core utility in, but that's a fuzzy line to draw and nobody will agree on where to put it. So fairs, fair and all skills get treated the same.

    Assign your most valued utility to your lowest-order CC slots to ensure they'll be available in the most situations. If the res is super important to you, you could put raise in slot 1 and have it from 12, but since it doesn't work in combat and shortcuts are a thing It's probably not something you have to sweat so much.
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    Last edited by HPDelron; 03-08-2016 at 12:25 AM.

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    Player
    Persisia's Avatar
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    Ember Richmond
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    Thank you! I wasn't aware that I had made a mistake like that. (For some reason, I had Cleric Stance in the first slot??? I don't even use it.) Anyway, the reason I thought there was a problem is because there was a time that Resurrection didn't work in Thousand Maws, so I assumed there was an issue. Of course, that IS an issue, just not the same sort. Weird things like that have been happening lately. Anyway, thanks again!
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    Ferox Maximillian
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persisia View Post
    (For some reason, I had Cleric Stance in the first slot??? I don't even use it.)
    I would get your flame shield ready for this,especially given you play scholar. Anyway, you can also rearrange your cross class skills in a dungeon depending on what you need. It does put them on cooldown when you do this in a dungeon though.
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    Player JackFross's Avatar
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    Eve Malqir
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    AST and SCH should absolutely have Cleric in slot 1, Protect in slot 2. Beyond that is Swiftcast, Aero, etc. I would argue for Aero in slot 2, but I like Protect.

    If you're playing SCH and in a low level dungeon, your Fairy does literally all the healing for you... You really don't have much reason to be not in Cleric unless the dps keep standing in aoes. In which case just autotranslate "Hall of the Novice" at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFross View Post
    AST and SCH should absolutely have Cleric in slot 1, Protect in slot 2. Beyond that is Swiftcast, Aero, etc. I would argue for Aero in slot 2, but I like Protect.

    If you're playing SCH and in a low level dungeon, your Fairy does literally all the healing for you... You really don't have much reason to be not in Cleric unless the dps keep standing in aoes. In which case just autotranslate "Hall of the Novice" at them.
    This is all fine and dandy once you've got a good handle on the fairy and her healing range. I was certainly a healthy handful of runs in and still baffled at why she randomly seemed to heal sometimes and not others before I realized I was often just standing too far back for her to effectively do her thing. It isn't at all intuitive, or at least wasn't for me. "All DPS all the time" is also probably just not the best mindset to be starting from, though that may just be my background healing in other games talking.
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 70
    As a healer don't dps until you're comfortable. I took my healing jobs to 50 before I started getting comfortable swapping stances and relying on my fairy. Also, until you get adlo, shadowflare, rouse, and lustrate, you've got less quick recovery tools if you spend too long in cleric stance.

    Everyone learns at their own pace and healer dps is really only required at endgame.
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    Winry Foxtail
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by JackFross View Post
    AST and SCH should absolutely have Cleric in slot 1, Protect in slot 2. Beyond that is Swiftcast, Aero, etc. I would argue for Aero in slot 2, but I like Protect.
    Usually I keep Protect in slot 1, cast it and immediately swap in Cleric as slot 1 for low-level dungeons. Most (but not all) of my abilities will eat a 30 second cooldown. Yeah -- you're not likely going to die in low-level dungeons without Protect but some players get pissy and expect it regardless.
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    Player JackFross's Avatar
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    Eve Malqir
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    I was mainly discussing someone who has one of those classes to 60 or someone far enough along to know the basics of how to heal. Hell, in any dungeon where you *don't* have access to your second cross-class skill (Sastasha and Tam-Tara normal mode are literally the only two), you can leave Cleric on and throw the odd Physick and still never run into issues while sync'd, tbqh.

    And re: Protect slot 1: that's definitely option 2. I don't like it, because I find it to be a major hassle. xD
    I'll swap it if the group refuses to go on without their 2 extra Defense, but otherwise meh.

    But yeah, I wasn't trying to imply everyone should be learning the Job using Cleric, just that any 60 SCH or AST should be running Cleric pretty much 80-95% in any sub-47 dungeon (Aurum Vale sucks).
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    Felix Feliday
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by F_Maximillian View Post
    I would get your flame shield ready for this,especially given you play scholar. Anyway, you can also rearrange your cross class skills in a dungeon depending on what you need. It does put them on cooldown when you do this in a dungeon though.
    No need for a flame shield because she's right.

    You activate Clerics stance and then remove it from your bar because you never need to actually deactivate it in a low level dungeon :P
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