GM response needed. Conflicting info regarding the selling of plots.

[MomomiMomi]

For players who have obtained money directly from the game (rather than other players), the current cost of housing is by no means "abysmally low". It's discouragingly high. Add the concept of paying other players several times that amount just to get them to move off the land and we're entering the realm of utterly ridiculous.

Hmm... have to disagree here as well. It would only take approximately two weeks* for a player to earn enough gil from the game for a small house simply by doing daily/weekly activities. Add in the fact that housing is limited, and I'd still call it way too cheap. Then when you consider that FCs can combine their gil together... yeah. Too cheap.

*At the lowest price on a rich server, or the highest price on a poor server.

[Paladinleeds]

Hmm... have to disagree here as well. It would only take approximately two weeks for a player to earn enough gil from the game for a small house simply by doing daily/weekly activities. Add in the fact that housing is limited, and I'd still call it way too cheap. Then when you consider that FCs can combine their gil together... yeah. Too cheap.

Well then, let's make it so a small plot is five hundred octillion (500000000000000000000000000000) gil, a medium plot is five hundred decillion (500000000000000000000000000000000000) gil, and a large plot is five hundred duodecillion (500000000000000000000000000000000000000000) gil. Also, let's clear everyone out of their houses (giving them full return on investment though) and start over with those new prices. Would they be high enough for you? And yes, I'm being serious.

[MomomiMomi]

Well then, let's make it so a small plot is five hundred octillion (500000000000000000000000000000) gil, a medium plot is five hundred decillion (500000000000000000000000000000000000) gil, and a large plot is five hundred duodecillion (500000000000000000000000000000000000000000) gil. Also, let's clear everyone out of their houses (giving them full return on investment though) and start over with those new prices. Would they be high enough for you? And yes, I'm being serious.

Sure, why not?

But about 50-200 million starting price would be fine for a small house probably. Note that I said starting price. They should decrease in price drastically over time. They could even eventually drop down to the current price, sure. This would make it so that people would be buying a house for what they actually think it's worth, or risk missing out. And they could still even stick with the current system of refunding 80% on losing it (which should also include manually relinquishing the plot).

Or do you think that someone would be willing to pay a 50 million relinquishing fee + 50-200 million gil on top of that for the small house? I honestly think this would almost completely solve the problem of selling houses.

[Paladinleeds]

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I'm talking kicking everyone (personal and FC) out of their current plots, fully refunding them since this was an SE patch change, not them being kicked due to inactivity, setting the prices to the numbers I set, and then once you can afford the house, go for it. Where we disagree is about prices dropping. I'd say keep the prices at the ones I set at period. And to me, 50-200m for a small house is still too small.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm talking kicking everyone (personal and FC) out of their current plots, fully refunding them since this was an SE patch change, not them being kicked due to inactivity, setting the prices to the numbers I set, and then once you can afford the house, go for it. Where we disagree is about prices dropping. I'd say keep the prices at the ones I set at period. And to me, 50-200m for a small house is still too small.

Yes, I'd also like ghost towns.

[Paladinleeds]

Yes, I'd also like ghost towns.

I wouldn't say they'd be ghost towns. They'd just be a hell of a gil sink ya know, and they'll really take time to fill up all the plots. It'd be extortionately high price of entry, but dang when you finally earned that amount of cash you'd feel so satisfied.

Also, a clarification, they don't have to be at the exact numbers I set, but at least a billion gil I feel is needed.

[Gyson]

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Hmm... have to disagree here as well. It would only take approximately two weeks* for a player to earn enough gil from the game for a small house simply by doing daily/weekly activities. Add in the fact that housing is limited, and I'd still call it way too cheap. Then when you consider that FCs can combine their gil together... yeah. Too cheap.

*At the lowest price on a rich server, or the highest price on a poor server.

I'd all love to hear which activities you can reasonably perform in two weeks time that generates 2.5 - 4 million gil and doesn't involve any direct or indirect transactions with other players (especially once you've already exhausted the supply of one-time quests).

Right, I know this is gonna drag the conversation off-topic, but I feel it relevant given what you've spoken about. Are you suggesting that every player who has made money from RMT-sources because of selling things to other players should be banned from the game for it?

No, my point was:

Well, now you're getting into a discussion about why there is so much money floating around, and a lot of that has to do with RMT. And every player who has ever sold anything to another player has their finger in that pot. And the prices players are trying to charge one another for housing is only encouraging more RMT use.

Part of the point I'm trying to make here is that, yes, there is a ton of gil available through the markets that might seem to make housing undervalued as MomomiMomi suggests, but for new (or old) players who don't use the marketplace the cost of housing is quite daunting.

For the record, I have a friend who doesn't use the marketboard (and so their income is solely from game-generated activities that doesn't involve financial transactions with other players) and I think they're just nearing the 5 million mark now - and that's after years of playing and involves quest rewards that are now exhausted.

Maybe MomomiMomi can fit several years of gameplay into two weeks. Who knows.

[Andrea]

I'd all love to hear which activities you can reasonably perform in two weeks time that generates 2.5 - 4 million gil and doesn't involve any direct or indirect transactions with other players (especially once you've already exhausted the supply of one-time quests

4m in 2 weeks is just under 300k a day.

I can think of daily bonuses for each roulette and daily beast tribe and hunts and thats about it.

I feel its pretty fair to say that 99% of people who own houses have used some volume of rmt sold money.

Before people take that wrong im saying you've been traded money someone else bought, not actually you yourself bought.

[MomomiMomi]

I'd all love to hear which activities you can reasonably perform in two weeks time that generates 2.5 - 4 million gil and doesn't involve any direct or indirect transactions with other players (especially once you've already exhausted the supply of one-time quests).

I could tell you... but then I'd have to kill you.




Just kidding.

First, I'd like to clarify that the amount I was talking about is 2 million gil. That can buy a small house at the points I mentioned:

At the lowest price on a rich server, or the highest price on a poor server.

These are the cheapest houses available. Fifth-class small plot at the lowest price on a rich server (4 million full price, drops down to 2 million), and highest price on poor server (2 million, drops down to 1 million).

Second, I hope you will agree that it's fair to assume that this person who wants to buy a house will have 2 gatherers and 2 crafters at least at level 50, as well as a level 60 job, or maybe two.

I am currently in the process of getting an accurate amount of time this takes per day, so please allow me a little while before I get that. However, I will not fully detail the process. I hope you understand.

Now then, back to work. Be back later.

[Caitlinzulu]

I'm talking kicking everyone (personal and FC) out of their current plots, fully refunding them since this was an SE patch change, not them being kicked due to inactivity, setting the prices to the numbers I set, and then once you can afford the house, go for it. Where we disagree is about prices dropping. I'd say keep the prices at the ones I set at period. And to me, 50-200m for a small house is still too small.

That would be horrible i currently like my medium house and i dont want to have to pay again for what i have. Also setting prices at 50-200m will lock the vast majority of the people out of housing permanently on my server.

4m in 2 weeks is just under 300k a day.

I can think of daily bonuses for each roulette and daily beast tribe and hunts and thats about it.

I feel its pretty fair to say that 99% of people who own houses have used some volume of rmt sold money.

Before people take that wrong im saying you've been traded money someone else bought, not actually you yourself bought.

Agreed you'll never make that kind of money just from doing daily stuff. But stating that house owners have used any form of RMT is not only insulting but vastly incorrect.
1. You have the coil/alex/primal sellers they rake in the cash

2. A good moneymaker used to be going into diadem and started fishing up pterodactyls. A 90 minute run will get you around 40 of them which sell for 15-25k gil netting 600k-1000k.

3. Do some research into what materials are used by crafters a lot and go harvest them. This also works for mob drops

4. Lowish level crafting from level 25-35 can bring in 10-20k an item. It adds up after a while

5. High level crafting sky pirate gear used to bring 300k-800k before 3.2

6. lvl 60 ilvl 150 crafting and gathering gear also brings in a pretty penny

7. Though boring spamming leves can earn you quite a bit

8. While doing everything else make shure you complete the challenge logs

I hope that gives enough possibilities to earn gil without resorting to RMT.