Wasn't new Savage supposed to be easier than first?

[Odett]

Never stated it should be easier, just the fact that SE claimed that it would fall between the difficulty of SCoB and FCoB. My group never was a world first group at any point in time nor a server first group at any raid. I believe on my server that we only have one server first group and as of last night they haven't cleared A5S where as they cleared A1S the next day upon release.

Are we all willfully ignoring that this new content came out with a major patch? Gordias Savage was released at a time when the people who challenge raid content as early as possible were:

-done with Bismarck
-done with Ravana and already had their primal weapons
-already had some ilv 190 gear from 2 previous weeks of Alexander Gordias Normal

Now let's see what people are doing in 3.2 when Gordias Savage was released:

-clearing normal mode to unlock Savage mode. Not having access to normal mode 2 weeks prior and being completely new to mechanics.
-challenging a new EX primal for weapons to make the DPS checks in savage mode more lax, or maybe just wanting to beat Sephirot EX before jumping into Midas Savage
-farming old primals for birds

When Alex Gordias Savage came out, it was the only thing that the patch brought, and endgame players were already bored with everything else, so they invested their time on Midas. It's no surprise that people cleared A1S faster than A5S at the time of a content drought where now we are getting a new Savage mode raid at the same time that a whole bunch of other content has also being released. Now, please stop crying because the new Savage mode hasn't been cleared in a week. Thanks.

They still do that over how T9 was designed.

Yeah, mechanics that you still can't ignore, talk about a horribly-designed fight.

[SooChe]

I think he's a part of a growing population of gamer that deconstructs the fundamentals of gaming as a whole. Instant gratification is in.

And you are the group of gamers who are white Knights and can't see that those craplexander raids are just artificial time gates that made you feel elite enough to post what u posted?

[Odett]

And you are the group of gamers who are white Knights and can't see that those craplexander raids are just artificial time gates that made you feel elite enough to post what u posted?

It can't possibly be because some people enjoy tackling content that doesn't take a few hours to beat from when you first experience it or expect an entire raid to be beaten within a week of release.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

And you are the group of gamers who are white Knights and can't see that those craplexander raids are just artificial time gates that made you feel elite enough to post what u posted?

Really wish we had dislike button.

[SuperZay]

This could not be more incorrect

Why would you quote only half of proposition? It completely twists it.
Top teams perfomance in i220 gear is equal or higher than regular statics in 240 gear, what exactly is incorrect here? And you quoted me partially like I'd said 'i220 is i240', when I was talking about levels of performance. World first statics always needed lower ilevel gear to achieve results other people can achieve only with better gear some months later.

Bet you feel pretty stupid now that A7 has been cleared huh? Poor baby.

And 99% still may not clear it 3 months later like it was with A3S, what's your point?

[FoxyAreku]

Actually I'm still not sure where the reward kicks in. When I finally beat Turn 9 for the first time, I friggen hated everything about Nael (or w/e that woman's name is) and was too angry to do the other coils. (I did them about 3 months later in 1 day). Savage had too many complaining and yelling at eachother that when I finally beaten it, everyone just bashed on each other for not getting the gear they wanted, even yelled at me for getting a healer piece (which was rendered useless a patch later). These high end raids bring out the worst in people and I still don't understand it. -_-

Sounds like you had a crap group. I've raided for about 7 years (in WoW before this game) and I've never had that experience in any hard content.

Raiding is a social experience and it's all about clearing something challenging with friends and people you enjoy playing with. Sorry your group had assholes, if I raided with people like that I would have quit after the first day.

[SuperZay]

Sounds like you had a crap group. I've raided for about 7 years (in WoW before this game) and I've never had that experience in any hard content.

Raiding is a social experience and it's all about clearing something challenging with friends and people you enjoy playing with. Sorry your group had assholes, if I raided with people like that I would have quit after the first day.

Maybe it's their way of having fun, in a circle of friends many people are swearing but don't actually mean it. If you don't like it then indeed it's better to find a static which suits you better.

[Aaliyahrose]

And 99% still may not clear it 3 months later like it was with A3S, what's your point?

There is a difference between Static Progression raid groups and...well...normal raid groups that we are all used to seeing.
There is a reason why people cleared it so quickly and that is because the hardcore Progression raid groups raid for twice as long as the average raid group does. This will probably add up to about 5-8 hours for 3-4 days a week. That's a LOT of wiping in a dungeon.
The normal static raid groups only raid for 3-4 hours for 2-3 days a week, which I myself don't have much time for.
The only difference is the amount of time that is put into raiding that makes a difference.
It's easier because they can still meet the DPS checks even without most of the lore gear, which is saying something. So CLEARLY the Midas stages of Alexander have shifted in terms of difficulty.