Bitter White Mages

[Nathair]

As I said, there isn't a conflict. Nocturnal voids Adloquium. Diurnal doesn't have any affect on White Mage skills. You're trying to support an invalid argument by fabricating a problem.

I agree with this.
Last time I've been with an AST in A4Normal they were in Noct. I politely asked them to go Diurnal since shields don't stack and he would've overwritten my adlos even if they were a crit.
They said "Then let me shield". Since shielding is 90% of my healing I tried to explain why it would've been better to go diurnal since at least one of us had a choice. After he kept being a jerk I then said I wouldn't be shielding, and I gladly spent the whole time in Cleric Stance while watching the party getting killed (everyone else was agreeing with me fyi).
Diurnal with a WHM is totally different. You don't overwrite regens, and there's little to no need for actual, serious mitigation (and stoneskin is enough) in 90% of the 8-men instances.
And let's look at reality, a static that wants to be efficient won't go ast+whm.
There's no reason to go Noct with a WHM unless you KNOW you need a shield (but let's remember they have a "sacred soil" even in diurnal) at a certain point, while there's every reason to never go noct with a SCH.
A SCH that sees a 6k crit overwritten by a shield that will merely shield 2k at best has every reason to be at least a bit mad, a WHM that sees one more regens doesn't.

[Igneel]

This is my experience as well. But I've seen it from a few co-healer WHMs as well.

I have as well, but not many, I can literally count on one hand how many WHM rude Whom I personally have run into and that's 3, arguably 4 but the last one was bosses outside of dungeons she was in my FC so I'm not sure if she counts.

[Nekotee]

In fact sometime pairing a diurnal AST with a whm can be good
I mean i did run A1S with my static as diurnal AST and paired with a whm
As diurnal i handle Faust and P1 and the whm DPS

During the fight medica2 and aspected helios work really well for gunnary pod or jumps

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Going noct is dumb with a SCH...
Except if you plan to only spam raw heal like helios and benefict
And maybe saving 1 person with an instant shield

Otherwise... Not good, you're slower and no utility at all beside cards

[Zaj_Quilos]

I was in Alex the other day and I started to hard cast raise (with a notification) and then shortly afterwards the WHM started doing it too, so we were both doing it. I was like errr wtf but thought i should pull out to actually heal people and then the WHM did it too. Twice not paying attention! It caused the situation to get worse and then for us to wipe. and then they just said "I hate astros" in the party chat. When I pointed out i was already hard casting raising, with a notification that they didn't notice. They were all "you didn't notice I had POM on!"

Just awful attitude.

[DarkmoonVael]

I agree with this.
Last time I've been with an AST in A4Normal they were in Noct. I politely asked them to go Diurnal since shields don't stack and he would've overwritten my adlos even if they were a crit.
They said "Then let me shield". Since shielding is 90% of my healing I tried to explain why it would've been better to go diurnal since at least one of us had a choice. After he kept being a jerk I then said I wouldn't be shielding, and I gladly spent the whole time in Cleric Stance while watching the party getting killed (everyone else was agreeing with me fyi).
Diurnal with a WHM is totally different. You don't overwrite regens, and there's little to no need for actual, serious mitigation (and stoneskin is enough) in 90% of the 8-men instances.
And let's look at reality, a static that wants to be efficient won't go ast+whm.
There's no reason to go Noct with a WHM unless you KNOW you need a shield (but let's remember they have a "sacred soil" even in diurnal) at a certain point, while there's every reason to never go noct with a SCH.
A SCH that sees a 6k crit overwritten by a shield that will merely shield 2k at best has every reason to be at least a bit mad, a WHM that sees one more regens doesn't.

This has been happening to myself as well alot in df while i am on sch. Get an AST who goes nocturnal and refuses to switch, no matter how many people explain why they should be in diurnal. I have also started doing what you do and just sit in clerics and let them suffer (but make sure we dont wipe). I main AST, have mained SCH from 2.0-3.1, and i just cringe when this happens.

[Nekotee]

I was in Alex the other day and I started to hard cast raise (with a notification) and then shortly afterwards the WHM started doing it too, so we were both doing it. I was like errr wtf but thought i should pull out to actually heal people and then the WHM did it too. Twice not paying attention! It caused the situation to get worse and then for us to wipe. and then they just said "I hate astros" in the party chat. When I pointed out i was already hard casting raising, with a notification that they didn't notice. They were all "you didn't notice I had POM on!"

Just awful attitude.

PoM is the same as lightspeed for AST (lightspeed is greater but well...)
Thinking that he was right because he is a whm
Means that he did not understand the healing synergie

Plus whm are helpless without AST or sch

[Kaenbyou]

Well, the thing is, people have a lot of misconception about AST, with all the buff, nerf and whatever that happens, it might add to the confusion.
Now back to the diurnal/nocturnal discussion, I really despise nocturnal for how inefficient it is, even when paired with a whm.
As someone that played in raid content every healer in the game, I can see when a tool is flawed for a heal, and noct stance is, but sometimes, even trying to argue and defending your point is cause for bitter insult.
I remember that farm party in thordan ex where I was playing AST diurnal with a WHM, the heal was going fine, no deaths because of that, even managed to dps a lot, but we kept wiping because of stupid (dps eating the gaze, tank not positioning correctly).
After countless wipes, they got the nerve to tell "a thordan ex party with an AST in diurnal and a WHM was doomed to fail anyway" then many of them ragequitted.
Well sorry, next time, I'll shield you before you take the gaze and run in the death floor or eat a divebomb right in the face, that'll do the trick.
So to go back to the OP, you can run with no issue at all with AST diurnal and WHM, we already tested in 3.0 savage raid and all the new 3.2 content (except savage at the moment) and it works wonder.
However, never ever use noct stance with SCH, or else you deserve all the bitter comment you can get.

[Zaj_Quilos]

PoM is the same as lightspeed for AST (lightspeed is greater but well...)
Thinking that he was right because he is a whm
Means that he did not understand the healing synergie

Plus whm are helpless without AST or sch

I mained WHM before AST and know how fast POM is so even if I saw it, it wouldn't have affected my decision.

[Nekotee]

I mained WHM before AST and know how fast POM is so even if I saw it, it wouldn't have affected my decision.

Yes i do agree
If you start hard casting it
The other healer should focus on healing
It's useless to compete on who can cast faster XD

[FaizeD]

It's natural to react when someone being mean to you. He is simply telling his story when teaming up with WHMs. He said white mages tent to argue. That is not an attack on player base or anything close. I think enought players answered his question at this point. Reporting is meaningless.

Actually no. The OP pretty much just says "WHMs are mean, my friends say so too, no offense lol" and then refers to one vague example of when someone said something about what stance they were in. One example is not indicative of anything, sorry.

I could just as easily reverse the logic:
I know it's really bad stereotyping but it feels like every time someone has a problem with healing they're an AST (one time I healed with an AST and they were so bad), and I ran this by people in my company and they notice ASTs tend to be terrible at everything when it comes to raids and healing, what's the deal qwq

Oh but I'm just "telling my story", no need to get offended right?